Aa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2066 times:
Sort of silly, but has anyone read about a pilot that flew in a war and later went to work for commercial aviation? Just curious as to the transitions they would go through or the training...My granps was a fighter pilot in the South Pacific during WW2 but had no ambitions of commercial aviation as a career.
SATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2051 times:
Yeah, there are/were lots of pilots who made that transition. it used to be that the airlines got there pilots almost exclusively from the military. That
source has dried up a bit in the last 15-20 years. Ab initio programs have come online to take up the slack.
In the period just after WWII just about all airline pilots had wartime experience. The airlines had been nationalised during the war.
DeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2030 times:
Step into the cockpit of many commercial jets and find at least one vet among the 2 pilots. More often than not, some of them have Vietnam or Gulf War experience. My dad was in the first Gulf War, along with many others, and left the Navy with that on their resumes- the airlines don't necessarily see the warfighting is good or bad, it's about the hours and responsibilites that came with it (i.e. section leaders, ops officer, etc). Personally, having a ex-warfighter flying our airliners is pretty cool, if you ask me.
Planespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3547 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1838 times:
At Southwest, almost all the pilots have military experience. At teh flight training center, all the pilots in the new hire class get to send in a frame that includes pictures of their choice to be put up somewhere for everyone to see (it's great scenery, there are probably around 1000 framed pictures up here at the Flight Training Center and at Headquarters). Almost all of the frames have pictures of the pilot standing next to his or her military a/c, or a picture of their Air Force/Naval Academy graduation, or an in flight shot of their military a/c. It's pretty cool!
ILSApproach From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 410 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1739 times:
I would bet that there is a very high percentage of ex-military pilots flying commercial airliners!
I'm going to take a stab at a percentage...........60-70%.
What does it really take to become a commercial pilot........hours, hours and more hours. The military is a very inexpensive way to get those hours and the instrument rating. How much you think you'd spend in a Cessna to accumulate that amount of flight time.............WOW!
Granted you have to be rated on specific aircraft and sim training, but how much easier would it be if you racked up say 10,000-15,000 flight hours in the military. I would think better than the average Skyhawk pilot.
Working for the railroad these days(me)..I bet 2/3 of the guys I work with are ex-military. Businesses like to hire them for their professionalism, most people I've met out of the military are upstanding, responsible individuals also.
Every year for the last 20 years or better I go to Jamaica(doesn't look like this year!). I distinctly remember a flight from MSP to MBJ on T9. Those pilots put us on a postage stamp on a descent like I've never had. Felt like we just grabbed the wire on an aircraft carrier..................sure enough the CPT, F/O and F/E (727) all had "FLY NAVY" bumper stickers on their flight bags!!!
I smuggly told them "nice landing" on the way out...........they all just kept grinning like children. It was great.............even better when they let me pull off a couple of flight deck shots!
Just an observation by an amateur. Easy on me guys!! LOL
Aa717driver From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1566 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1658 times:
Having military experience guarantees one thing--the person is a known quantity. He or she had to go through a prescribed sylabus and career path.
I flew with several combat veterens from Viet Nam. One of them bagged a MiG-21. They are generally pretty good to work with.
But, keep in mind, there are good military pilots and there are bad military pilots. I've run into a few who couldn't find their butts with both hands. Same with civilian pilots, too.
What I've heard from most of the military guys is that a successful transition to civilian flying is 100% attitude. A classmate of mine at TWA was a former F-4G squadron commander. He had the best attitude. A crashpad roomate was a F-14 squadron commander. He was a D!CK! He still thought he was in the Navy and in command. Did I mention he was a D!CK?
I've spent a lot of time on the jumpseat at SWA and I've rarely seen anyone with a bad attitude. I think that's why they don't crash airplanes and have such a "can-do" attitude. IMO.TC
Maiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 47
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1648 times:
There are a ton of Air Guard pilots that fly the big airliners during the week, and get into an F-16 on the weekends. What a life. It would piss me off if my squadron converted from F-16's to C-130's though!
RG828 From Brazil, joined Jan 2004, 582 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1630 times:
Lots of War vets go commercial - if not most.
I've met countless Vietnam war vet who fly with Delta, though most of those I really know have retired. A good friend of mine retired from UA a few years ago (777 MIA-based) was an EC-121 commander in Vietnam, in his early 20's.
Another DL Captain was an A-4 squadron leader in Nam, his war tales were most interesting.
Another good friend retired from DL flying 727's flew F-4s there as well, but he did'nt like talking about it much.
Rick Drury - the Airways magazine columnist - who I've met on several occasions, flew A-1s in SE Asia before joining Flying Tigers, and is now retired from flying MD-11s with FedEx.
Lots of books out there about post-WWII airlines and their war-experienced veterans, I envy their flying careers and I respect them all.
I dont know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everyone
UAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1424 times:
I herd a funny story from a guy that flew in the reserves, he said he had the best possible carrier that he could being a pilot. He got to fly every aircraft that he ever wanted to and loved it. After he was done in the reserves he became a commercial pilot. After about 4 years of flying, he was doing another typical flight and looked out the window. He said that he could see the wing and the engine and he just all of the sudden said, "I wish the damn thing would catch on fire and blow up so that we could do something!" He said after that day the airline helped him to get out of there just as fast as he could. He went on to sell aviation insurance and was able to buy some old war aircraft and fly them for years to come!
OttoPylit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1421 times:
I would say about 80% of major airline pilots are former military, and most would have some sort of experience as far as either active combat(Nam or Gulf War) or related combat patrol experience(Operation Northern/Southern Watch over Iraq). Most airline pilots you will find either quit the military after getting hired, or fly in the Guard or Reserve.
I just read the book "Dustoff", by Medal of Honor winner Micheal J. Novosel. A former WWII B-29 pilot who became a Southern Airways pilot until Vietnam erupted. When the Air Force balked at sending a Lt. Colonel(Novosel) to Vietnam, he quit and enlisted in the Army as a Warrant Officer! He was probably the oldest man to be selected as a Warrant Officer and flew dustoff evacuation missions during the early years of Vietnam, flying Huey helos and winning the MOH. After 2 tours, he retired in 1984.
So there is one example of a war pilot going commercial. Just in this case, he went from vet to commercial back to vet.
GMUAirbusA320 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 243 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1217 times:
It's amazing to see all the ex-military pilots in the air. When I worked the gate for B6, I couldn't belive the agents when they'd say they couldn't deal with some of the pilots because of an attitude. After having to handle many of the situations, I found lots of them didn't have "attitudes" but rather they were ex-military guys. I've learned from my dad (20 years U.S. Air Force) and my dabble in ROTC, that some of those guys lived by the books. Because of their actions, they've done a great deal to ensure the saftey of millions of passengers daily. I feel a little safer knowing the guy behind the stick has military experience (combat or not). Although, I have known a few to push the limits...hahahaha