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Indy Dropping Flights  
User currently offlineDAYFL From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 127 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3453 times:

Has anybody noticed that to support Indy's new Florida non-stops that DAY, CMH and IND are all dropping to 7 flights a day in November to accommodate those new flights. Any info on this.

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User currently offline1MillionFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3307 times:

They are also reducing Newark and JFK.

They are being very smart and redeploying assets for more effective use. For the P2P MCO service and to enhance PIT and a few other higher demand cities. (BOS and ORD were mentioned in another thread.)


This is a good move. 7 X DAY to IAD is still very good.


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6733 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3279 times:

The frequencies to many markets were ridiculously high. I think Indy has quickly realized it would be better to go after some new routes instead of running 16 daily flights with loads in the 40's (or lower).



User currently offline1MillionFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3230 times:

I think they just deployed all the planes rather than let them sit to build a presense in the initial cities and now that they have some breathing room they can redeploy to new markets and suppliment others. If we go down to 6 flights a day in BNA to IAD I won't mind.

I would love BNA-TPA though  Smile


User currently offlinePhatfarmlines From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1363 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3061 times:

BNA-TPA

Unless DH has a desire to compete directly with WN, this route will most likely not happen. All of the new routes announced by DH out of TPA do not compete with WN. However, DL appears to have picked a fight with DH, since DL has mirrored the DH routes out of TPA.


User currently offline1MillionFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2883 times:

I agree. but it would be nice  Smile

User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2613 times:

Go DL hope you knock ACA out of FL. Just my thought.


Sean from MCO and CVG



I Don't know where I am anymore
User currently offlinePvd757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3420 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2364 times:

Add PVD and BDL to the list of places where DH dropped to 7 (from 8) IAD flights on that date too...

User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6791 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2333 times:

RDU is dropping to 12 flights from 14. Feasibly, they could drop anohter 2 flights and make it 10 flights a day. The load factor would probably increase greatly. But then, of course, they would need to add at least 2 more destinations. Currently, only AC and FL offer only one destiantion from RDU. I think that perhaps in the future RDU will see additional destinations from IDE. But until then.. I think 10/day would be more than sufficient.


Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineNy-jfk-lga From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 374 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2258 times:

sean, what ACA are you talking about? ACA isn't serving any florida markets...........Independence Air is. But don't worry though, ACA still serves a lot of places from CVG. For your very own single 'thought' on us getting knocked out of florida I've got one question....................you and who's army? I love Delta Air Lines, and competition is only natural in this industry. In any event though..........bring it.


Bring back McDonnell Douglas & T W A!!
User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 2200 times:

They dropped some of the ATL frequencies so they could redeploy those a/c on to some other routes. In some markets, they have been a bit too ambitious, ATL being one of them. With FL and DL offering flights to all three DC-area airports (IAD,DCA,BWI), and ZW offering flights to IAD (under the United Express banner), DH really has to offer service that makes people want to fly them. They really can't undercut the fares on ATL-IAD because their competitors will do the same thing (even if it turns into a loss-leader for them), plus FL and DL offer something that DH cannot offer on their CRJs, a business class, and that is a plus. The first true test for Independence Air comes when they start their Airbus flights and they start their focus city ops @ MCO and TPA. If they were smart, they would try to enter those intra-Florida routes that FL has dropped as a result of the shuttering of the JetConnect product, instead of going head to head with the big boys. Transcons will probably do well for them, but without any sort of network out west, their options will be limited, as FL has found out (the DFW flights helped them to an extent, but they do need to build a western route network to better feed some of their traffic).

User currently offlineBigphilnyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4077 posts, RR: 54
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 2178 times:

I dn't think they made any mistakes. I think they just did a realtime test-market to see which times would be best for them.

Judging my numbers I've looked at, I think they are doing pretty well and their changing of flights and schedules are simplky the results of them working within their new safety net of regional low-cost.

These guys are dominating a little more than any of you think. It's time for other airlines to start getting worried. :-p



Phil Derner Jr.
User currently offlineVoodoo From Niue, joined Mar 2001, 2101 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 2094 times:

When introducing services, for word-of-mouth spreading of passenger's impressions, it is probably actually better to have low loads (with the initially high frequencies), if you think about it. Most people feel more relaxed on a >1/2 empty plane than on a full one.


` Yeaah! Baade 152! Trabi of the Sky! '
User currently offlineFlyATL From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1838 times:

plus FL and DL offer something that DH cannot offer on their CRJs, a business class, and that is a plus.

Does DL offer a business class on their RJs? I do not recall ever being on one with a seperate class. Or do they only offer it on select models?


User currently offlineFlyibaby From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1641 times:

FlyATL
No, DL doesn't. They have the capability to if they wanted to with some of the CRJ-700's Comair runs, but as of now, it is strictly coach. UA does however with the 700's Mesa operates on routes such as RDU-DEN.


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