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Iraqi Airways Starts International Flights Again  
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12211 posts, RR: 18
Posted (10 years 1 month 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8162 times:
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After nearly 15 years of being grounded because of wars and sanctions Iraqi Airways is starting International flights again. The airline is launching scheduled flights to Syria and Jordan twice a week. Iraqi Airways hopes to expand to Dubai within the next few weeks. In August the airline successfully completed a trial flight from Jordan. The once 16 strong fleet now has only 1 aircraft that is airworthy, the others which were flowen out of the country were left to rust. Repair teams are being sent to repair the 15 other planes.
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle.asp?xfile=data/business/2004/September/business_September360.xml§ion=business&col=

[Edited 2004-09-18 07:06:43]

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User currently offlineLuisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7893 times:

Great news!
another member of the Aviation community
and another sign that slowly but surely things are returning to normal in Iraq


User currently offlinePlaneviewNYC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7851 times:

Great news, indeed. Airworthy or not, though, I'd be very skeptical that said aircraft could do more than a few cycles without getting some Al Qaeda SAMs shot at it.  Sad

User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7553 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7831 times:

But the fares are horrible something like starting at $650 US DOLLARS!!!!


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User currently offlineQIguy24 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7822 times:

This is really good nows for Iraq. But I have the little same feeling as PlaneviewNYC. If they could do it after the Israeli flight in Kenya, why shouldn't it be possible at Iraq Airways? And I hope to God that it won't happen.

Burnsie,

Yes of course. That is hopefully just in the starting phase. And I'm sure most people don't mind paying that.
And most likely the only ones to fly into Iraq in the beginning are contractors with money in their pocket.


User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7780 times:

I was going to say that they should start a USA flight because most of the contractors are coming from here and then they could also visit their families more often but I guess that wouldn't be the safest thing. I really don't see how it is safe to land there at all.....? If its safe enough for a plane to land at all do you think that a flight to the US would work? I would think that at this point they could fill it up with family of contractors going out there and then contractors coming back to visit. I know now they don't even have that option. You have to stay there until the job is done because obviously there is not flight to get on!!


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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4801 posts, RR: 44
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7746 times:

Iraqi Airways says its offices have already sold dozens of tickets, but at prices the majority cannot afford. A return ticket to Damascus would cost $600, and a return to Amman $750. The same trip by road costs about $40.

Can you please find me many gullible people wanting to dish out US $ 600-750 for a 1.5-3 hr flight to AMM and DAM from BAGHDAD...a KHI-LHR-KHI return eco tkt for a 8 hr journey one way costs US $ 700 whereas AUH/DXB-LHR-DXB/AUH costs US $ 500-550 return!!!

These prices of Iraqi Airways are utterly ridiculous!!!


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12211 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7704 times:
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Behramjee

Iraqi Airways fleet are B727s, B732s and B747SPs. Not sure which model aircraft Iraqi Airways are flying on their new flights. As you can see, their fleet are 'old fashined' and are gas guzzlers. Once new routes are announced then fares will drop.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12211 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7680 times:
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anyway where does Iraqi airways land? Baghdad int? Yes Iraqi Airways lands at Baghdad Int.

do any other commercial flights fly into Baghdad at the moment? Yes there are about three other airlines that fly to Baghdad. Iraqi Airways are in competition with one of those airlines now.


User currently offlineVoodoo From Niue, joined Mar 2001, 2091 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7499 times:

BBC says its their only airworthy a/c: 737.


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User currently offlineQR332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7487 times:

They have 727s and 707s lying around at 707 just rusting, last time I saw them in augest the engines were being used as homes for pigeons. The aircraft are better than others that were destroyed at Baghdad though, and I think they can be airworthy (the 727) after some maintance. As for the 707, I doubt they would use that aircraft.

User currently offlineLY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2259 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7334 times:

Today IA's 737 flew for the first time AMM- SDA.
Details anybody?



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User currently offlineMoose1226 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 250 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6645 times:

I was watching a story about this on CNN today, and the aircraft they were showing was a 732.

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4609 times:

But the fares are horrible something like starting at $650 US DOLLARS!!!!

Hell that is less then what Alaska would charge to get me to Seattle.





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User currently offlinePhaeton From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 406 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4458 times:

The three letter airport code of Baghdad International Airport is still SDA for Saddam International. Is someone going to do something about it?


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User currently offlineLevent From France, joined Sep 2004, 1718 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4449 times:

The plane they are operating in indeed a 737-200 and on the Amman route they are competing with Royal Jordanian.
The code SDA doesn´t say much about its original name, does it?


User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1811 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4322 times:

Is Baghdad's airport still called "Saddam International" ?

Are they not going to rename it to "George Bush...", no sorry, "Baghdad International Airport"?

 Laugh out loud



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User currently offlineDaumueller From Germany, joined Nov 2003, 693 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4307 times:

DIJKKIJK: it's name already is Baghdad International Airport - just the 3-Letter code is still SDA.

User currently offlineCedarwings From Lebanon, joined Apr 2004, 216 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4277 times:









The first pictures of the Iraqi 737 200 in Baghdad International Airport yesterday.



[Edited 2004-09-19 15:33:28]


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User currently offlineCambrian From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 619 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4271 times:

What about the Iraqi aircraft trashed by the US soldiers when they "liberated" the airport?


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12118 posts, RR: 49
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4256 times:
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I believe you are talking about the fleet that was left to the elements for YEARS and not air worthy, so please tell the whole story, these were not factory fresh planes we are talking about. I am not excusing what happened by any means.


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User currently offlineBENNETT123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7689 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4254 times:


I think that most of the aircraft that were at Baghdad are only of interest to the Fire School or for target practice/Scrap.

They may provide some spares, but were apparently well looted, and would need to be re-certified, (probably not worth the effort).

I think that Iraqi Airways may be looking for "new" aircraft.


Reply 6

I think that if I was going to Baghdad, (which I am not) then travelling by road would be a foolhardy decision. Blow the cost, I want to die in my own bed.


User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4228 times:

Th german magazin DER SPIEGEL has a story about Iraqi starting international flights again.

And it mentions that so far only Royal Jordanien is serving Bagdad two times daily with an Fokker. The flights are done by special hired South African pilots. The interesting thing is that they have special landing procedures. Because they fear to be attacked by stinger missiles the plane flies in small circles over the airport to loose altitude.


User currently offlineTW741 From Liechtenstein, joined Sep 2004, 478 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4192 times:

There are some photos in the database dated January 18th, 2004. Comments mostly say engines were removed to show US forces she wasn't a threat, and therefore wasn't targeted for destruction
for example:

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Photo © Pete Hawk



This photo shows a 727 with a 747SP behind:

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Besides engines removed I am wondering why doors and emergency exits are open - would mean a lot of dust and sand inside the aircraft.


One photo shows 3 parked 727´s at AMM - have those be maintained over the time by RJ? Or just parked and nobody looked at the birds all the time?

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At least the captain of the 737 on the pic´s posted by Cedarwings looks happy - finally flying again ....

=TW741=



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User currently offlineVoodoo From Niue, joined Mar 2001, 2091 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 month 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4044 times:

Luv2Fly wrote:
I believe you are talking about the fleet that was left to the elements for YEARS and not air worthy, so please tell the whole story, these were not factory fresh planes we are talking about. I am not excusing what happened by any means.

Absolutely incorrect.
Iraqi AW was flying passengers (illegally but never challenged because it wouldn't look good, or strengthen any `coalition' to shoot down `even' an Iraqi pax jet) from Baghdad to Basra using 727s and IL-76s until hostilities began. As stated above, the engines were removed for their protection and to reduce targeting by US forces. But that didn't stop the eventual vandalism.



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25 Daumueller : And it mentions that so far only Royal Jordanien is serving Bagdad two times daily with an Fokker. The flights are done by special hired South African
26 Luv2fly : If they really wanted to protect the planes they would have gotten them out of harms way, they took the time to remove the engines why not just do the
27 Post contains links and images TW741 : @Daumueller - flights are operated but obviously not bookable via normal CRS, maybe only direct with RJ offices. On their routemap they should SDA con
28 Fokker50 : Well, I must say that Iraqi airways is doing it well, also they can have some Fokkers to make the domestic routes, also take some 733 and 762 from the
29 Learjet23 : The freshly painted name of this first 737 in the new airline is......."Rocket man" ! gotta love it!
30 Foxiboy : Hey guys this is a civil aviation forum not a political debate about us/UK action in Iraq, but if you must know I think it was about time something wa
31 Foxiboy : And yes good to see iraqi airways flying again
32 BA : It's good to see them flying again although I don't expect them to have any serious plans or even consider acquiring new aircraft until the situation
33 BENNETT123 : Cedarwings Do you have an ID for the B737. I notice that the F28 shown by TW741 is ZS-XGX, which was SE-DGF,(SAS) in an earlier life.
34 Post contains images 777ER : Cedarwings Thank You for providing those excellent pics of the first flight. That is something all Iraqi's can be proud of
35 JGPH1A : I'm glad they kept the old IA colours - although not with the "dolphin", which is a shame. I hope IA aren't going to be hosted in RJ's RES system - th
36 Post contains links and images Lapper : BENNET123: View Large View MediumPhoto © Rudolph van Eeden 9L-LEG Gotta love the wearing of HV vests!
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