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User currently offlineKevin From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1144 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 18 hours ago) and read 1521 times:

I am a member of the BA Executive Club. However recently I did a bit of flying with Cathay which is a partner to BA. LAX-HKG-BKK-HKG-LAX

For the LAX to HKG I received only 1027 miles
For HKG to BKK I got only 220 miles
Same on the way back. This is dissapointing

Do they have rules that say that if you fly a partner airline you get only 20% of what the miles really supposed to be?

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User currently offlineJOUY31 From France, joined May 2003, 447 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (10 years 16 hours ago) and read 1496 times:

What was the fare class of your CX segments ?

User currently offlineKevin From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 16 hours ago) and read 1489 times:

The fare class was economy.

User currently offlineGeoffm From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2111 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (10 years 16 hours ago) and read 1485 times:

BA only give 25% of miles flown for economy fare classes, except the highest class(es) (ie full economy fare), in which case you would have paid probably well over CA$3000 - which, I assume, you didn't?

They're stingy.

Geoff M.


User currently offlineKevin From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 16 hours ago) and read 1483 times:

Looks like they are stingy.

One more question:

My membership expires in November. What happens to my miles? Do I have to use them before my membership expires or they get transfered to my new membership? How do I renew the membership?

Thanks.


User currently offlineWarren747sp From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 hours ago) and read 1434 times:

IS that true you can not earn AA miles on BA trans-Atlantic flights?


747SP
User currently offlineKevin From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 hours ago) and read 1426 times:

Warren747 SP:

AA is a member of Oneworld as is Cathay Pacific. If you are a member of AA FFP, but your Transatlantic flight is with BA you will earn only 25% of the mileage. That is what happened to me on the Cathay transpacific.
Sad , but true.


User currently offlineJOUY31 From France, joined May 2003, 447 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 hours ago) and read 1393 times:

Kevin, what happened to you was probably that you were on a coach discounted fare (ie not a Y, B or H fare class), where in the BA Executive Club you earn only 25% of miles. That is why I was enquiring about the fare class of your ticket (Y, B, H, A, ...) not the class of service (coach, business, first)

The point Warren747sp raised is another one. You cannot earn AA miles when flying BA between the US and the UK, nor can you earn BA miles when flying AA on the same routes for any fare class or any class of service. This is not the case for transatlantic flights between the UK and countries other than the US.

[Edited 2004-09-19 10:38:36]

User currently offlineFlightLover From Moldova, joined Mar 2004, 344 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 hours ago) and read 1368 times:

I find these inter-airline arrangements in OneWorld very strange. A similar thing happened to me in January when I took BA for a transatlantic flight IAD-LHR-OTP-LHR-IAD. I only got about 2500 miles for the entire flight when the actual number of miles was around 10000 (25%). So I said I will not fly them again and cancelled my BA membership. I am still an AA frequent flier but they don't have these weird rule of giving only 25% of the actual miles flown on in cheap economy classes.
Regarding the question that was asked earlier as JOUY31 said: you can't earn miles on Transatlantic flights on AA if the flight is operated by BA and vice-versa.


User currently offlineGeoffm From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2111 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 hours ago) and read 1337 times:

The fact that you're flying a partner airline doesn't affect whether you get 25% of miles or not, since on all my BA flights (LHR-AND CURRENT: Denver - International (DEN / KDEN), USA - Colorado">DEN being the longest) I still only got 25%. As has already been mentioned by myself and others, it depends purely on the fare class.

Your membership should be renewed automatically, but you lose some of your miles. Again, BA being stingy. Compare to CO where you keep your miles for years AND you earn 100% miles per flight regardless of fare class (some minor exceptions). I've actually flown less miles with CO yet earnt more upgrades.

Geoff M.


User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5244 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 hours ago) and read 1336 times:

Ba look after their premium pax. Hence why the program is called the executive club. They offer 25% miles on economy tickets with partners AND all their partners offer 25% on BA flights.

QF only give you 25% on disc BA now too.

Flightlover, AA do have lower earning thresholds also, except with AA, some flights are completely void of earning miles ie you get 0% and some you get 50%


User currently offlineDTManiac From Germany, joined Aug 2004, 689 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1244 times:

Hello,

I have got a Qantas frequent flyer membership and I will spend half a year in the US next year. What about miles when I fly on AA. Do I get the full miles or do Qantas and AA have similar regulations. Is there something special I should now about earning miles on AA?

Greetings

Frederik



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User currently offlineChrisZRH From Switzerland, joined May 2004, 423 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1216 times:

WHAT??? you don't get miles flying with partner airlines in the same alliance?!?! i'm Swiss FFP member and i get full miles on all AA, CX flights and their not even in an alliance together!
this is really funny  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



Christian Galliker - AirTeamImages
User currently offlineJakob77 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1184 times:

Just as with other FFPs, your tickets need to be in certain fare classes in order to be able to earn miles. BA Executive Club is more restrictive where all discount Y tickets earn only 25% regardless of which oneworld airline you fly on. oneworld FFPs are generally more restrictive in terms of earning miles on cheap discount Y fares relative to say * FFPs.

User currently offlineJOUY31 From France, joined May 2003, 447 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1160 times:

ChrisZRH,

The situation with BA and AA regarding mileage accrual on US-UK flights is not standard practice within airlines alliances. It is linked to the current state of agreements between the US and the British government.

The issue of poor mileage accrual in the BA Executive Club is different. You get only 25% of standard mileage and you get NO tier point (the equivalent of status miles or qualifying miles in other frequent flyer programmes). So you never get elite status on BA if you fly in discounted coach (ie non Y, B or H fares for BA flights)


User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5244 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1150 times:

With Qantas FF, you earn the follwoing on AA

Discount Economy Fare classes: G, L, M, N, S, V earn 50% of mileage

Discount Economy Fare classes: E, O, Q, R, T, U, W, X, Z earn NOTHING

Quite a few of the online bookings with AA are O class so watch out as I have been caught out by this too!

At least with BA you get points for any discounted economy class (paid)


User currently offlineDTManiac From Germany, joined Aug 2004, 689 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1137 times:

Thank you ANstar,

but how do I see the booking class when booking via internet? For example, does expedia.com show the booking class?

Frederik



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User currently offlineFLVILLA From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 394 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1138 times:

I too have been caught out by this arrangement when I was traveling from TPA-LGW return trying to use my AA card but the gate agent made it clear that I would'nt get anything.

But it does set BA in a much different league to every other airline, for example I'm VS silver(going for gold soon  Innocent ) and every time I fly VS there are loads of others with silver, it is so easy to get it's almost worthless. But whenever I see a BA Silver or even Gold card member, then that guy is the real deal, top high flying EXECUTIVE which makes it an exclusive club and is one good reason for BA doing pretty well in it's premium classes as there most of the time all exec members.



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User currently offlineGeoffm From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2111 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1110 times:

DTManiac, you can, by reading the fare rules.

For Expedia.co.uk, you first select the flight you want, click "choose this flight", then under (3) click on "Read an overview of all the rules and restrictions applicable to this fare". That'll get you a display something like this:

BRSEWR-CO 21SEP04 *RULE DISPLAY* TARIFF 0001 RULE 2170
* ADD APPLICABLE TAX * FED INSP FEES *
-FARE BASIS GBP NUC PTC FT GI
DAP3W R 3567.00 6540.84 ADT NL AT
DAP3W R 3567.00 6540.84 CNN NL AT
DAP3W/IN90 R 356.00 654.08 INF NL AT
DAP3W R 3567.00 6540.84 INS NL AT
DAP3W R 3567.00 6540.84 UNN NL AT
BOOKING CODES D

That D you see there is a business class fare. For the same flight in economy I got an L. By selecting "business" and "avoid most change penalties" I get a J.

There are a few websites explaining fare codes:
http://www.smarterliving.com/advice/advtips/advice.php?id=6682&ctid=i6682c35p420
http://www.continental.com/onepass/earn/airline/delta.asp (amongst others)

Geoff M.


User currently offlineDTManiac From Germany, joined Aug 2004, 689 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1106 times:

Geoffm,

thank you very much especially for the links. There are some quite good information for me as I am not so experienced in this topic.

Regards

Frederik



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