737captain From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 120 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10529 times:
I just got a call from a reliable source who works at Mesa that A/C 353's nosewheel axle fell off right after takeoff from FCA and is diverting to BOI to make a crash landing.
My thoughts and prayers are with the crew and passengers aboard that aircraft.
"Why do you insist on man-pawing the glareshield everytime you climb up here?!"
DeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3623 posts, RR: 11 Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10415 times:
RoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 8737 posts, RR: 52 Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10380 times:
From a flight tracker it looks like HP6332 which is a mesa CRJ2 is arriving at BOI at 4:03pm today. I hope all goes well with it. It if flying low and slow to BOI. I guess they want to go to an airport that has full crash facilities available.
If you have never designed an airplane part before, let the real designers do the work!
737captain From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 120 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10360 times:
Airbus-
I'm not sure when it is expected to land, my friend said he would call and let me know as soon as the plane is on the ground.
Delta-
I too am somewhat disturbed to hear about this too. I'm sure the FAA will be all over YV for this one. IMO it is unacceptable that the nose gear axle could just fall off.
"Why do you insist on man-pawing the glareshield everytime you climb up here?!"
Av8rphx From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 713 posts, RR: 10 Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10319 times:
Hadnt heard anything of the sort this morning at work. While landing without nosegear is generally frowned upon,its not an overly threatening situation to life. Maybe in a fully loaded 757,but not in a RJ200. Anyhow,if this is the case I'm sure I will hear about it tomorrow at work.
EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9286 posts, RR: 13 Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10304 times:
Sounds bogus to me. If they really had a problem, no Captain or controller in there right mind would continue a flight on to an other destination. They would turn around and land.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
RoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 8737 posts, RR: 52 Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10232 times:
Kalispell has an 8000ft runway, but it sees only about 20 flights during its peak summer season and even less this time of year. I am sure a pilot would want to reduce the fuel load and get to a larger airport with probably better trained rescue teams like at BOI. The plane is doing 233 knots at 19,000 ft right now on its way to BOI.
I hope all goes well for people on the plane.
Edited for accuracy
[Edited 2004-09-18 23:50:18]
If you have never designed an airplane part before, let the real designers do the work!
737captain From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 120 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10194 times:
AV8rphx-
Firstly, no offense man, but if the nose wheel axle fell off, you don't have much of a choice but to land without it. Secondly, the nose gear is not a critical flight control, therefore the plane would not need to turn around and land immediately, they have time to asses the situation in air before attempting a landing. Thirdly, the CRJ-200 most likely has quite a bit of fuel on board since it was flying FCA-PHX, they need to burn off some fuel and go to a larger airport that can handle a crash landing such as this. Finally, FCA would be a horrible place to try and land in this situation, they have one main runway at 8003ft and a secondary at 3521ft, if they were to land there they would cripple all airline ops into and out of FCA for quite some time while they clean up the mess a nose gear up landing would make. BOI is a good alternative, they have two main runways, the shortest of which is 9763ft, landing here would give plenty of room for the plane to land and would not cripple all operations into and out of the airport.
"Why do you insist on man-pawing the glareshield everytime you climb up here?!"
Swadispatcher From United States of America, joined May 2004, 427 posts, RR: 10 Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 10101 times:
ASH6332 is showing a 2226 Z arrival into BOI according to Flight Explorer.
Maintain 2300 until Boiler, cleared for the VOR-A approach, report BATLE inbound..
Av8rPHX From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 713 posts, RR: 10 Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 10043 times:
Flight Information
Airline: Mesa
Aircraft ID: ASH6332
Flight Number: 6332
Aircraft Type: Canadair RJ-200 Regional Jet
Status: In Flight
Ground Speed: 286 mph
Time Remaining: 0h 4m (estimated) Altitude: 19,000 feet
Distance Remaining: 45 nautical miles Bearing: SSW
Departure Information
Airport: Glacier Park Intl
Temp:
50° F
City: Kalispell,Montana
Departure Time: 2:18 PM (actual)
Current Local Time: 4:22 PM
Arrival Information
Airport: Boise Air Terminal/Gowen Fld
Temp:
57° F Wind: N
at 7 mph
City: Boise,Idaho
Arrival Time: 4:26 PM (estimated)
Current Local Time: 4:22 PM
Asuflyer05 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2369 posts, RR: 3 Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 9865 times:
QIguy24 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9672 times:
I agree with DAYGS,
There have been so many of them in here lately. And no one has turned in to something really life threatening.
I understand your concerns but please get some correct info first.
Asuflyer05 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2369 posts, RR: 3 Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9661 times:
Looks like they are going to repo another CRJ up there to pick up the pax.
737captain From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 120 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9614 times:
Haha, I knew someone would have a problem with me putting "crash landing" instead of emergency landing, but I disagree. I worded the topic accurately with the preliminary information I had received. My understanding was that the axle had come off in flight, therefore it would be a crash landing since there would certainly be some structural damage upon touch down. I'm not sure what your definition of life threatening is, but the potential of the aircraft to lose control due to a damaged nose wheel is certainly a life threatening situation, otherwise they would have continued on with their filed flight plan.
"Why do you insist on man-pawing the glareshield everytime you climb up here?!"
Av8rPHX From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 713 posts, RR: 10 Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9569 times:
Looks like they are going to repo another CRJ up there to pick up the pax.
Wow,we are actually going to accomodate passengers?!?!? At least it isnt a Freedom RJ we are sending up,heard that all 3 of the F8 birds went on mx a month or so ago and cxld. Flagstaff has been a problem flight lately too,a few weeks ago I worked a FLG flight that was WR to 18 pax due to an autofeather issue. Had to bump 15 pax at a time since the same plane was doing the FLG turn all day. POS Dashes
UAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2225 posts, RR: 13 Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 9523 times:
737captain,
I don't mind the wording at all it got my attention and was very good information that we otherwise would not have had. When you are trying to figure out the topic line you have to think like a news reporter, you want to tell people what is going on and get them to read it. Good job!
NWB757300 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 9251 times:
737captain only posted with the info he was given. The initial page recieved was "FCA airport operations confirms wheel on runway..." and that was followed with a phone call stating the entire nose wheel axle was sperated... so don't jump on him for the topic because it was accurate to the information...at the time!
Av8rPHX From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 713 posts, RR: 10 Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 9159 times:
NWB757300,
were you at work this morning? I dont know what operations was doing today,but we had planes coming anywhere and everywhere. We used B22,24,26,28 and 27 this morning. It was a nightmare with what staffing we had. Of course we ended up having PVR on the 10am bank,get everyone boarded and CA tells us he kind of forgot about the wx alternate and that they were overweight. So, we ended up pulling pax. Just another lovely day at MESA
Blackhawk144 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8776 times:
Hello,
Surprised it took me until 9:00 PM (boise time) for me to see that this happened. I was at the airport about a couple hours earlier checking out the Phase II Open House. It's really cool.
Anthony
25 Asuflyer05: Wow,we are actually going to accomodate passengers?!?!? Only because 353 isn't making any moola sitting on the ramp in BOI. It looked like they were g
26 Womack17: "Aircraft landed in BOI without incident. " Will someone please explain to me how a plane lands without its nose gear and it is called a landing witho
27 Av8rPHX: That's because SOC decided at about 845 they were going to swap everything in the 1000am bank. Then they decided about 5 minutes later to swap some st
28 Asuflyer05: Will someone please explain to me how a plane lands without its nose gear and it is called a landing without incident. I am not an aircraft pilot or a
29 Nycfuturepilot: EMBQA- That makes it sound more realistic. The fire crews at small airports hardly get any practice or training. Thus, it makes the most sense to dive
30 Av8rPHX: Here is a news article on this incident.. http://www.ktvb.com/news/topstories/stories/091804ccjrktvbemergencylanding.12e3757f0.html You need to regist
31 L-188: Losing a nosewheel is probably one of the simplist problems to get down. Losing a main is much more dangerous. And there isn't anything wrong with hea
32 Levent: When I was working with Air Exel in the Netherlands one of our ERJ145´s burst its main gear tires upon rotating at take-off from Munich. The plane ci
33 NWB757300: Av8rphx, yes I was at work, and I was amazed, but not too amazed, at the changes we had to 15 out of 18 flights in the big bank...it was a mess, SOC n
34 Tjwgrr: "Crash landing" will not be how the NTSB classifies it. It will probably be called an "incident" with an emergency landing. "Crash landing" is sensati
35 EMBQA: The nose gear scissor disconnected and apparently shredded one of the tires. oops. Looks like someone on the ground crew did not correctly reinstall t
36 Blackhawk144: Hello, I know "Crash Landing" is quite an exaggeration, but honestly, I don't think you guys should just pound on 737captain. "......and 737captain is
37 1millionflyer: The ntsb will absolutely get involved. as they do all incidents http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/AccList.asp?month=9&year=2004 this is just for september 2004
38 CRJDispatchKid: The NTSB may or may not be involved in this accident. If any of these conditions of the AIM 7-6-2 are met then the NTSB will conduct an investigation.
39 1millionflyer: We will see . There are about 20 NTSB reports of cracked windsheilds on CRJ's that don't comply with this posting above but are still there. The state
40 EMBQA: Hey 1millionflyer- Did you know an EMB-170 made an emergency landing here in BNA yesterday..? Heck, it didn't even make the local news...!! Just becau
41 JAXpax: The statement was "The NTSB will not be involved" that is not correct. One thing you'll learn on this website, 1millionflyer, is to NEVER argue with
42 1millionflyer: EMBQA Yes, I know I was on an DL MD-11 AMS-ATL in Dec 2002 that had smoke in the cabin and diverted to IAD. It also was not in the NTSB listing. I was
44 1millionflyer: EMBQA I enjoy the discussion ! Glad to see another aviation enthusiast here in BNA. I'll be out there tonight going BNA-PHX on WN.
45 EMBQA: Hey Million- Yea, no biggie... just good exchange of ideas and thoughts. My biggest beef gets to be when I'll read statements from '16-20 year old' wa
46 1millionflyer: I am glad to see these kids wanting to learn about the industry. Hopefully they will learn like we did before making these sweeping comments. I starte
47 OPNLguy: NWB757300: >>>SOC needs to pull their head out of their asses on the weekends.. Thomas, I just have to ask this... How long have you worked in a SOC,
48 EMBQA: OPNLguy,, D'ooh 31.. Thanks for the correction.
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