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Why No US Service To Orly?  
User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6365 posts, RR: 9
Posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4382 times:

Sorry if this has been discussed before, but I searched and found nothing. I was just curious why Paris Orly has no American traffic like London Gatwick does? I know Orly has customs and all, because several African flight I believe go out of it, but I was just wondering why no US airlines use it. Thanks in advance!

Zach

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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4364 times:

As CDG has expanded, the French Aviation Administration has switched all international carriers to that airport, leaving ORL as a domestic hub. I believe this is due to size constraints. The same thing was done when Le Bourget airport became too small.

ORL is now the French version of La Guardia airport in New York - close in, but hemmed in. CDG is the big international airport. And aren't there plans for an even newer airport?



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User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6365 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4355 times:

Awesome, that answers my question and VERY quickly! Thanks!

User currently offlineCs03 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 413 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4337 times:
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If I am correct, it has to do with competition! With "OneWorld" and "Skyteam", and the others, providing "seamless" service with their partners requires use of common airports for connections. That is one reason most airlines want LHR vs. LGW! The "connection" potential means more revenue potential!

User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4317 times:

As you may know, AA flew into Orly for years, and only transferred their operations over to CDG when they absolutely had to.

User currently offlineLH600 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 164 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4252 times:

Do you know why Iran Air operates out of Orly instead of CDG? They would certainly benefit from connecting flights from North America.

User currently offlineIcarus75 From France, joined Oct 2003, 807 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 4005 times:

PanAm747 : You're right, there are some (big) talks in France about a third airport but it is for ma a non sense (as it is to a lot of people).
The new airport, if any, would be far from Paris (more than 100km) and linked to the city with a fast train (something like a TGV).
Why some talks about a third airport?
Simple in fact : CDG is a huge airport with 4 runways and can receive 80 million pax a year. When it was built, it was in the middle of nowhere, with 2 runways and a lot of preserved fields around for future extension.
With the time, in some little towns around the perimeter of the airport, a lot of people built houses because it was near Paris and the places to build were not expensive.
Now, these same people are ckaimeing that the airport is too noisy, that the traffic must be stopped at night (no curfew at CDG) and so on.
Because some people are stupid (they knew when they built their houses that the airport was meant to be bigger), traffic is now limited at 50 million pax a year and there are some talks about a third airport....in 20 years at best.



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User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26714 posts, RR: 75
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3999 times:

I have even heard that they would look at expanding Aeroport Beauvais-Tille to be the new Paris airport (FR would like that). Considering that they just built a major addition to Roissy, and now have to fix it, they seem to still want to use CDG


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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3931 times:

After the AF purchase of KL, plans for a 3rd airport were all but DOA.

User currently offlineNtspelich From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3901 times:

Someone please correct me, but didn't US used to serve ORL also (until it seems they were "forced" to switch to CDG)?

NS



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User currently offlineJOUY31 From France, joined May 2003, 447 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3848 times:

Mmm ... I think the airport code is ORY, not ORL.

User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 39
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3841 times:

Almost everyone who moved from ORY to CDG seem to have been forced to make the switch. What's even more annoying is that there are no longer any flights between ORY and LHR or LGW. I sure miss the days of TAT / Air Liberte  Sad

User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17786 posts, RR: 46
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3833 times:

There is a strict cap on movements at ORY.


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User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3768 times:

So no U.S. carrier goes direct into ORY anymore?



User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33194 posts, RR: 71
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3753 times:

So no U.S. carrier goes direct into ORY anymore?

No, but a few months ago, after the CDG terminal collapse, Paris airport officials tried to get AA to move back to Orly because CDG was getting to congested. AA refused. The funny thing is, AA was the last one to leave Orly, back in May 1999, because they loved it there. They were forced to move CDG, and now that airport officials want them back in Orly, they said they didn't want the hassle. It is too bad...I perfer Orly. Much easier airport to use, and closer to the city centre.



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User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3718 times:

Wow, that is really sorry of AA, so if they had accepted France's offer to move back to ORY, would they have had to cease their flights into CDG?

AA777jr


User currently offlineAeronuts From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3678 times:

"With the time, in some little towns around the perimeter of the airport, a lot of people built houses because it was near Paris and the places to build were not expensive. Now, these same people are ckaimeing that the airport is too noisy, that the traffic must be stopped at night (no curfew at CDG) and so on.
Because some people are stupid (they knew when they built their houses that the airport was meant to be bigger)"

lcarus75, I guess US doesn't have a monopoly in this area. There are common grounds among US and France. Yes, we too have the same problem in the US.

"Those DC-3's were pretty quiet, it's those darn noisy jets, there goes the neighborhood"


User currently offlineAirGabon From Switzerland, joined Dec 2003, 890 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3374 times:

In the past CO, DL, US and AA flew to ORY.

In CDG, just NW, UA and TW.


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