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Is Alitalia Going To Be Around Much Longer?  
User currently offlineScf158 From Switzerland, joined Dec 2003, 413 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3962 times:

Im planning a trip from GVA-DUB during Christmas and its about 130francs cheaper to fly via Milan with AZ compared to direct with Aer Lingus.

With all this fuss about Alitalia thats been going on lately, I am wondering whether are not its a good idea to book with them.

What do you think?



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User currently offlineBENNETT123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7616 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3921 times:

I think that if you use a credit card then you are covered. It might be a good idea to chek the situation on your card.

Besides Christmas is only three months away.

I think that AZ will be around at least until then.

User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3945 times:

This topic has been covered extensively recently with many, many opinions. You should use the Search function on A.net, to read recent posts about Alitalia. You can then reach your own conclusion about Alitalia's future.

User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3850 times:

Alitalia is a dinosaur, and was one long before September 11th, the War in Iraq, SARS, or the spike in jet fuel prices. It remains 62% controlled by the Italian government, making it historically difficult to introduce the required efficiencies to make a major airline work in these difficult times for the industry.

The fleet itself is relatively inefficient, apart from the A320 family of jets, there are too many differences and ratings among the aging MD80's and the 767-300's and 777's.

Further, the carrier has a bloated cost structure, bloated workforce, a well deserved reputation for surly, indifferent, unreliable, but safe service, and frankly, Milan and Rome are also rans in a continent filled with much more efficient and logical hub operations (i.e. Amsterdam, Heathrow, CDG, and so forth).

Alitalia will eventually either disappear or be acquired by a stronger Euro rival, perhaps Air France/KLM or maybe Iberia, or someone interested in it.


User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (10 years 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3792 times:

Alitalia will still be around. Rumors about Alitalia going under have been going around for over 10 years now and they are still here.

User currently offlineMatt777 From Cayman Islands, joined Oct 2001, 503 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3789 times:

Alitalia is not even in the European "Chapter 11" (while US UA are), and there is still a looong way after Ch11 for Ch17 (stop operations).

Take AZ, there will be no problems, they are also IATA members, so if the carrier goes deep down (won't happen) your ticket can be transferred to another carrier.

Grazie per aver scelto Alitalia, vi auguriamo un buon soggiorno, Arrivederci.

User currently offlineF.pier From Italy, joined Aug 2000, 1524 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3780 times:

Don't worry. We are so st...d to keep alive an airline like that for so meny years and we'll find a way to give it more and more and more and more money, for many more years.

User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5245 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3695 times:

I didn't think there was a european chapter 11?

I'd book Aer Lingus. At least you won;t have the worry

User currently offlineAirblue From San Marino, joined May 2001, 1825 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3624 times:

I'm Italian and even if I wish for AZ something like SN or SR (close down and reopen the day after) I tell you what it will happen:

AZ will find an agreement with the staff, they got the €400m loan, the Italian State will find a legal way to put more money and.....

....your ticket is 100% safe. They will be here for long.

User currently offlineILSApproach From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 410 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3585 times:

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User currently offlineMatt777 From Cayman Islands, joined Oct 2001, 503 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3469 times:

"AZ will find an agreement with the staff, they got the €400m loan, the Italian State will find a legal way to put more money and.....

....your ticket is 100% safe. They will be here for long."

They have reached an agreement with all the staff already.  Laugh out loud

User currently offlineFLYSSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 57
Reply 11, posted (10 years 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3447 times:

The "agreement" with the staff and the €400m will make them last until next spring.

If they don't change their commercial policy and if they don't drop FCO as a main HUB to concentrate on MXP, where the REAL business is, reducing staff and salaries will not save them and turn AZ into a profitable airline.

Concerning your question, Scf158, they will definitely be there around Christmas.

User currently offlineSteman From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 1391 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 days ago) and read 3409 times:

FCO has already been dropped as main hub.
Almost all long haul flights are at MXP as well as most of european routes.
The problem is no longer FCO but Milan's second airport, Linate LIN, which should be closed to allow MXP to really become a hub.
As the situation is now, all of AZ competitors keep on stealing pax in LIN to transfer them to their respective hubs.

The new AZ direction seems the have already taken good measures to assure the airline a future and they are committed in turining it over to become a privatized, profitable and efficient airline....

Yes, they have a huge task to accomplish. I wish them luck.

As for some comments regarding the fleet...I wouldn't say that there are too many type ratings: MD-80s have already began to be disposed of, the main european fleet being composed by A319/320/321. The long haul fleet has already been simplified to just 767 and 777.

In the next few years more 777s and Embraer 170/190 will enter service.
Many more planes will be needed to replace the huge MD-80 fleet and to expand the long haul fleet. The latter, in its current situation of 13 B767s and 10 B777s, is not even enough for one hub operation



User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7152 posts, RR: 57
Reply 13, posted (10 years 5 days ago) and read 3398 times:

Alitalia will not go away, but will shrink compared to today.

The world is really getting smaller these days
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