Gilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined exactly 5 years ago today! , 1955 posts, RR: 4 Posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4261 times:
Jet Blue have made their interest public that they are interested in US Airways' slots at La Guardia and could possibly be interested in their A320's despite them using different engines from the remainder of Jet Blue's fleet.
Just some questions which I have:
US Airways has 250 daily slots secured at LGA and was wondering if Jet Blue could make US Airways an offer they couldn't refuse and may surrender maybe like half their slots. Or do you think Jet Blue are like vultures and circling above waiting to grab them (if/when) US Airways goes tits up?
Is LGA nearing capacity - hence why Jet Blue are after US Airways' slots?
If Jet Blue were to operate US Airways IAE powered A320's what would the impact on Jet Blue be? I assume pilots can operate both types of aircraft. Would the impact be more cost than anything and maintenance?
Could this be an opportunity for Jet Blue to acquire A321's to use on popular routes, or would it not fit into there product?
JetBluefan1 From United States, joined Dec 2003, 2461 posts, RR: 13 Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4117 times:
I don't understand why JetBlue would want to expand LGA. Their "mega-hub" is at JFK. Why would they start a large operation at LGA? JetBlue doesn't care for market share. They care for making money, and having LGA and JFK flights compete with each other just does not fit their goals.
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Ouboy79 From United States, joined Nov 2001, 2712 posts, RR: 21 Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4114 times:
Yeah...I'm interested in their 170 fleet...yet you don't see people doing a post on my company do ya? LOL
Lets worry about asset sales when it comes to that point. Right now it isn't on the table and won't be until labor situation is figured out. If they find a way to get labor costs down...no problem. If not...then we will start hearing some news about who is bidding on what (or what is getting spun off into a new airline).
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N1120a From France, joined Dec 2003, 22904 posts, RR: 79 Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4102 times:
B6 already flies to LGA. They are interested in expanding there likely because they don't want to start getting delays at JFK because their timings conflict with international flights. Also, B6 has IAE powered A320s, so the US planes must be CFM powered. I am guessing they could do engine changes as the time came.
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NonRevKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4011 times:
They are interested in expanding there likely because they don't want to start getting delays at JFK because their timings conflict with international flights.
So the logical thing to do would be move to "delay free" LGA!
AlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 3953 posts, RR: 10 Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3962 times:
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i think J6 is interested in EWR and LGA becuase both are closer to NYC. JFK is a good spot for there international flights becuase it is mostly a inter airport.
I really dont think that J6 would go for US's A321s.
JAXpax From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3956 times:
It's a question for US Airways....
How bad do we need cash? Is it a bad enough need that we'll sell our most profitable assets to pay the next bills? Then what happens after that when a major profit center is gone and it's time to pay the following round?
Kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 7546 posts, RR: 18 Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3931 times:
I can see them being interested in the slots, but not really the aircraft. Does a small airline, particularly a low cost one, need the added problems of different engines types on their fleet. I think it would be a mistake.
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FA4B6 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3920 times:
I don't understand why JetBlue would want to expand LGA. Their "mega-hub" is at JFK. Why would they start a large operation at LGA? JetBlue doesn't care for market share. They care for making money, and having LGA and JFK flights compete with each other just does not fit their goals.
Well, if you think about it, LGA does make sense. You cant be New York's hometown airline when NYC has 3 airports. As a NY'er, even though LGA is delay ridden, congested, and never on time, NY'ers, like most people, are creatures of habit and would rather suffer through LGA then drive the extra five miles down the Van Wyck. I used to fly out of LGA to YYZ all the time. I hated it, I could've gone to EWR, but I didnt. And ill never know why! (Thank God when service started to YYZ from HPN, but it was so expensive!)
Plus, Neeleman said that by 2006 T6 will be at full capacity so maybe its better to expand a little at LGA while T5 is being re-built.
As for making money, New Yorkers love JetBlue. Many of our fliers drive right past EWR, ISP, and LGA to fly on us out of JFK. To give them an option of LGA (and maybe EWR and ISP down the road) to FLL was a natural next step.
Srbmod From United States, joined Mar 2001, 13479 posts, RR: 43 Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3766 times:
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Makes you wonder if B6 might be interested in taking over the US Airways Shuttle?
It's not all that odd for an airline to have significant ops at two major airports in the same city. Delta has the Delta Shuttle, Song, Delta mainline and Comair operating out of LGA, and @ JFK have Song, Delta mainline and Comair flights. Continental flies flights out of LGA and have their hub @ EWR. AA has a large number of flights @ both JFK and LGA. US Airways once had a hub @ BWI in addition to their operations they have @ DCA
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JetBluefan1 From United States, joined Dec 2003, 2461 posts, RR: 13 Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3633 times:
As a NY'er, even though LGA is delay ridden, congested, and never on time, NY'ers, like most people, are creatures of habit and would rather suffer through LGA then drive the extra five miles down the Van Wyck.
Actually, I prefer JFK. I live on Long Island's South Shore, and just about everyone in this area prefers JFK...I would also bet people further out in the island prefer JFK. Just the northern part of the island - Manhasset, Port Washington, New Hyde Park, etc., prefer LGA.
The thing is - even if people don't prefer JFK - that won't stop them from flying JetBlue. I have an uncle in Manhasset who flies B6 all the time even though LGA is MUCH more convenient for him. IMO, B6 doesn't need to expand into LGA to get people to follow them. People already have been following them to JFK - an airport that people would never think of when flying to Florida or Upstate.
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CPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4618 posts, RR: 23 Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3532 times:
Also, B6 has IAE powered A320s, so the US planes must be CFM powered. I am guessing they could do engine changes as the time came.
US A32x are CFM powered. Aircraft engine types are very rarely changed...it would be completely uneconomical compared to just purchasing new build IAE equipped baby buses. The 7E7 will be the first large airliner to allow for relativley easy interchangability in terms of engines but we aren't there yet.
Flybyguy From United States, joined Jun 2004, 1447 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3440 times:
Maybe by wanting to acquire slots at LGA B6 desires broad market appeal. LGA for biz travelers not willing to go to JFK and leisure travelers who are willing to go to JFK to save on fares. If Jetblue offers a "low-fare" shuttle they can probably be a blast at LGA for biz pax and with the newly adopted expedited security checks being instituted for frequent travelers, a JetBlue shuttle may give Amtrak a run for its money.
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LGB Photos From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3341 times:
Sorry I don't see us buying US Airways A320s since we want "new" planes and have over 75 on firm order plus the fact that those birds have CFM engines not IAE like what we have in our fleet. It makes no sense but I do see us possibly expanding at LGA over a period of time.
STT757 From United States, joined Mar 2000, 10298 posts, RR: 41 Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3193 times:
"Maybe by wanting to acquire slots at LGA B6 desires broad market appeal. LGA for biz travelers not willing to go to JFK and leisure travelers who are willing to go to JFK to save on fares."
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This is an argument I have all the time with folks when the topic of JFK comes up like it did in a recent thread, JFK is limited in it's growth due to it's lack of appeal to business travelers who will always choose LGA to JFK (when they have a choice).
That's why flights from JFK to Chicago, Kansas City, Minneapolis, Detroit, Boston, Washington, Atlanta, Dallas, Houston, Toronto are so few and far between compared to LGA which draws way more business travelers.
That's why AA operates a somewhat split hub between LGA and JFK, most of the business traffic for AA goes through LGA while most of the leisure flying goes through JFK. Not including the long haul/ International routes that operate from JFK but for obvious reasons do not operate from LGA.
B6 has yet to and is unlikely to anytime soon launch flights from JFK to their existing stations at BOS and IAD, those routes cater to business travelers.
B6 would want LGA slots to open routes that would be very hard even for an airline that's as popular as B6 to operate from JFK, Chicago is the first thing that comes to mind.
I could envision B6 following AA's lead and splitting their NY hub between LGA and JFK, business routes (BOS, Chicago) and some Florida flying from LGA and the core leisure flights (West Coast, Florida, Carribean) from JFK.
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