Learjet23 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 7083 times:
Can anyone tell me about how many trans pacific flights are going on a average day? I fly 3-4 times a year to Asia, and have seen other planes visible as we cross the sea for NRT. Also had the flight crew come on the PA and say flights in front of us report chop, etc. Also, has a 747 ever not made it? I heard a story about one loosing all power and getting all re started while in a dive (?) any truth to this...
OPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6960 times:
>>>Also, has a 747 ever not made it? I heard a story about one loosing all power and getting all re started while in a dive (?) any truth to this...
I can't recall the particulars of flight #, date, etc., but a KLM 747-400 ran into some ash from an Alaskan volcano (Mt. Redoubt?) and I think lost power in all four engines. They got them restarted and landed (IIRC) in ANC. The aircraft had only recently (at the time) been delivered to KLM and the damage from the ash encounter was something like $70 million.
A British Airways once had a similar encounter, but that was much further east (Singapore area?).
To get a count on Transpac crossings, OAK ARTCC might be a source, either via their website, or via their PR/Public Affairs section via phone.
Cedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8084 posts, RR: 54
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6920 times:
Yep, KE007 (note the coincidence of a flight accused of spying on the USSR being numbered 007). The British Airways flight (BA10 if memory serves) was en route from Kuala Lumpar to Perth when it ran into trouble over Indonesia. Can't think of any other flights that have had a serious problem on a Pacific crossing, just the odd incident such as that United 747 that hit rough air and a passenger who ignored the Fasten Seatbelt sign was killed (not by an angry hostie, I hasten to add).
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Warren747sp From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6699 times:
The incident Learjet refers to is the CI747SP which rolled after one engine stalled and the pilot disengaged the auto-pilot to restart. It flipped and dropped till the pilot was able to straightened it out at about 6000ft.
Spacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3624 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6508 times:
The incident Learjet refers to is the CI747SP which rolled after one engine stalled and the pilot disengaged the auto-pilot to restart.
The engine wasn't stalled; the pilot just thought it was. IIRC the auto-pilot was actually disengaged because of a turbulence encounter, which is why the pilot thought the engine was stalled in the first place - in turbulence, the auto-pilot will make abrupt power changes to compensate for variations in speed and the pilot thought one of the engines was not responding properly. (Engines are known to respond slowly at extremely high altitudes, and apparently this pilot wasn't used to flying at the cruising altitude of I believe 41,000 feet that they'd been assigned.)
When he disengaged the auto-pilot, he lost situational awareness and then didn't believe what his instruments were telling him (which was that the airplane was in the process of inverting). It was completely a case of pilot error.
Anyway, the plane landed at SFO, which was not that far off it's final destination, which again IIRC was LAX.
I hope I've got my details right as it's been a while since I've read this accident report, but I've read it several times.
Are flights that fly over the north pole and/or the Behring Sea really considered "trans-Pacific"? Because you don't actually cross the Pacific if you fly from, say, New York to Tokyo. Just curious.
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SW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6311 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6459 times:
Yeah that BA flight from Kuala Lumpur to Perth is really interesting. I had never heard about it before and stumbled across a program just a couple weeks ago about a plane that filled with smoke and shot out fire from the jets, etc. before the engines died and they almost had to ditch. very interesting. lucky they could get them restarted!
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7566 posts, RR: 43
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6465 times:
One could also add the other airlines that cross the Pacific, namely QF, NZ, LA and AR. I mention LA and AR because the original post did not expressly refer to North America to Asia flights but all trans-Pacific services.
ClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4634 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6442 times:
Cedarjet, the flight was BA009 - close!
The best book on it is "All Four Engines Have Failed" by Betty Tootell. She interviewed all the passengers, and they all have a say. Apart from that, it's covered in Air Disaster Vol. 2 by Macarthur Job. His 4 volumes on jet disasters are the best in the genre as far as I am concerned.
In addition to the list of airlines that fly the Pacific -
Hawaiian fly to Sydney
Continetal Micronesia fly to Cairns
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