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NW Announces MSP- Ashville N.C.  
User currently offlineIowaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2531 times:

One Daily Flight Begins Dec. 15

Minneapolis/St. Paul-Asheville service

Flight number: Departs: Arrives: Aircraft:

NW 3774* 6:52 p.m. 10:06 p.m. CRJ

Asheville-Minneapolis/St. Paul service

Flight number: Departs: Arrives: Aircraft:

NW 5624** 7:00 a.m. 8:20 a.m. CRJ

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040920/cgm041_1.html

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User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3526 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2509 times:

Yay! I always love to see NW add service to MSP. As an MSP resident, I'm very happy. Keep adding flights NW @ MSP!

Jeremy


User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1418 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2489 times:

Had they already had DTW service or is this an entirely new station? Regardless, the number of destinations served from MSP continues to amaze me.

-Mike



I plan on living forever. So far, so good...
User currently offlineIowaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2478 times:

Had they already had DTW service or is this an entirely new station?

Northwest inaugurated service at Asheville in June with two daily flights to its WorldGateway hub at Detroit.

GO MSP!!!!


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23942 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2451 times:

2+ hours in a CRJ... Yum

I love Asheville, but this flight will be miserable.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6826 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2451 times:

Sweet.. now if Pinnacle would initiate DTW-EWN.. at least twice daily would be good.


Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4291 posts, RR: 36
Reply 6, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2423 times:

3774?? That's a Detroit flight number... Sounds like a typo right there. MSP uses 5600 and 2800 numbers.


Chicks dig winglets.
User currently offlineIowaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2425 times:

2+ hours in a CRJ... Yum

I love Asheville, but this flight will be miserable.


Wait until people start flying MSP to TUS! 3 hours and 40 min.

[Edited 2004-09-20 23:56:56]

User currently offlineFlyibaby From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1020 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2418 times:

ERJ170,
Are you serious? I could understand if you said ILM, but not EWN. Its not a big enough market to run even a crj to DTW.


User currently offlineIowaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2416 times:

3774?? That's a Detroit flight number... Sounds like a typo right there. MSP uses 5600 and 2800 numbers.

I thought 3000-4000 numbers were XJ and 5000-6000 were Pinnacle. Must be a typo??


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23942 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2409 times:

I think that DL Connection to ATL would be a more reasonable (though still not horribly likely) goal for EWN. ATL has many, many connection opportunities as well as a location which would not be out of the way for most itineraries- kind of like how CLT is now. Based strictly on the negligble O&D that exists, EWN might be able to sustain a ZW or MQ flight to ORD with some financial incentives from the city, but neither UA nor AA are really in the business of adding flights to cities that small and that far from Chicago.

Edit: Looks like FlyIBaby beat me to the punch by a few minutes, but I'm right with him.

[Edited 2004-09-20 23:47:53]

[Edited 2004-09-20 23:48:50]


I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineCRJDISPATCHKID From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 99 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2404 times:

We've got flights with 2800's which are pretty much MKE and a few MSP flights. 3700's have traditionallly been DTW hub flights.
4700's are LAN flights.
5600 are MSP.
5700 are MEM.
5800 are DTW.
5900's are MEM.



Thanks...C-Ya...Bye
User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6826 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2395 times:

Very well then...

DLX to ATL and/or NYC.. or IDE to IAD... all 3 are locations that would be good for EWN.

But why I said DTW is because the thread was talking about NW and not MQ or DLX... the only other option would be MEM for NW.. but that seemed unlikely too!



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineIowaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2380 times:

Speaking about MSP-TUS in a CRJ, how will they be able to do that? Isn't that more than the range of the aircraft? I guess no full loads. Serverly weight restricted. Why not put a second A320 on that route.

User currently offlineTravisNC From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2319 times:

This is great news for Asheville, but I can't help wonder why AVL gets so many new flights while Wilmington, NC doesn't. ILM and AVL have about the same O&D, ILM's actually slightly higher. Maybe yields are higher at AVL than ILM, though both are leisure destinations I would think. Here are the airlines and destinations for both airports.

Asheville:
Atlanta - Delta
Charlotte - US Airways
Cincinnati - Delta
Detroit - Northwest
Greenville/Spartanburg - US Airways
Houston - Continental
Minneapolis - Northwest
New York (LGA) - US Airways
Newark - Continental
Orlando - Delta
Raleigh/Durham - US Airways

Wilmington:
Atlanta - Delta
Charlotte - US Airways
New York (LGA) - US Airways
Washington (DCA) - US Airways (Sat only)


User currently offlineBH346 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3265 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2304 times:

Good for Asheville and Northwest. Now only if they would start DTW-ICT service...


Northwest Airlines - Some People Just Know How to Fly
User currently offlineWomack17 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 497 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2304 times:
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I don't believe that New Bern could support service to MSP myself, but they are very under-served. When Midway was in operation their flights to RDU ran at very nice capacities. For me personally, I can only remember one flight that I took to RDU from EWN that wasn't full and that was only because a husband and wife got off the flight before we departed the gate because she was having chest pains. The nice thing about Midway to RDU was that it forced US to bring down their ridiculously high prices to CLT. Now that they are the only game in town, prices are one again through the roof. Last time I checked a full-fare Y ticket was right at $700 - absolute air piracy. I agree that EWN could support ATL, WAS, and NYC among others. The new airport is really a true upgrade and they now have a 6000+ foot runway. New Bern is long overdue for new service on DL to ATL at the very least.


Oh how I miss Midway Airlines. A class act right to then end.
User currently offlineFlybywire777 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2253 times:

The Asheville area has lots of retires from up north, many with lots of $$. I have been flying out of the NY area to AVL for the past 10 years. I have traveled thru DC, Raleigh-Durham, ATL and others to get there. I jumped for joy when CO started their non-stop from EWR. Now NY has 3 flights a day (w/ LGA). The prices are not low, so I guess it's a money maker to offer nonstops.

[Edited 2004-09-21 02:29:30]

User currently offlineDeltabobo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 209 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2226 times:

AVL to GSP is served by a little B1900 twice a day, with continuing service to RDU.




Dispatchers...saving pilots from themselves and their egos since 1938!
User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6826 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2218 times:

My question is this.. if CLT-EWN is served by a Dash8-3, why couldn't they simply us a 50 seat RJ? Does anyone know the loads on the CLT-EWN route?


Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 40
Reply 20, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2197 times:

My question is this.. if CLT-EWN is served by a Dash8-3, why couldn't they simply us a 50 seat RJ? Does anyone know the loads on the CLT-EWN route?

Several reasons. US doesn't have enough RJs to go around yet, so some markets have to wait. There is no difference in seat capacity between a CRJ and a DH3, and on a short flight like that, there's no significant time savings or anything like that with the RJ. Also, the CRJ can have some weight restrictions on shorter flights that the DH3 doesn't have; I know that weight is an issue with OAJ, not sure about EWN. Introducing jet service at an airport that only has prop service can also be a regulatory hassle.



I'm the expert on here on two things, neither of which I care about much anymore.
User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6826 posts, RR: 16
Reply 21, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2180 times:

Ahhh.. okay.. EWN had jet service with Midway.. so I wouldn't think that it would be a problem.. but you bring up some good issues.. I'm pondering now.. ...pondering.... EWN has a 6000' runway.. can handle a RJ.. and they are building a safety zone also.. they get 737 in monthly for a casino charter..


Aiming High and going far..
User currently offline717-200 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 601 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2178 times:

3 hours on a CRJ should be considered cruel and unusual punishment! But it
is good to see AVL get more service that they can fall back on if US bite the
dust. Up until a few years ago US and DL were the only 2 carriers at AVL.



72S 733 734 735 73G 738 742 752 763 E190 M82 M83
User currently offlineNcflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 530 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2163 times:

I'll take 3 hours on a CRJ any day of the week over 5 hours on a connection, where I have doubled the risk that one of the flights is delayed, and I risk getting overnighted at my expense in an intermediate city. What do you expect, a 757 on the routes? It is fantastic how these little jets have opened up new routes, and most people could care less.

Good for Asheville, I think the reason it has better service than Wilmington is it does a terrific tourist trade, it's not served by a somewhat close low cost airport like RDU, it is tough to get to. I'm vacation their at thanksgiving, and I had a heck of a time getting a reasonable flight.


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