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Frontier Aircraft Delivery Changes  
User currently offlineAirplaneBoy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 574 posts, RR: 10
Posted (10 years 3 months 1 day ago) and read 3089 times:

Hi everyone.

An update on the deivery schedule for Frontier:

An A318 (ship number 807) will not arrive later this month as previously planned. An engine was damaged during a test flight in Hamburg and will need to be repaired before the aircraft is accepted. Ship 807 is not estimated to be accepted until at least a month after its original delivery date. Does anyone have photos or more information on the aircraft and the incident?

However, we will continue to take delivery of our 33rd A319- Ship number 934. Our employees have been notified of the following delivery schedule:


N934FR MSN 2287

Start Ground Checks: 22 September 2004
Acceptance Flight: 23 September 2004
Technical Acceptance Completion: 27 September 2004
Transfer of Title: 28 September 2004
Repositioning Flight to Phoenix: 29 September 2004

As usual, the aircraft will pass customs in Bangor, Maine and have post delivery modifications accomplished in Phoenix.

Happy flying and warm regards.

Cheers....

Travis/LAX Big grin



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User currently offlineUAXDXer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 765 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 1 day ago) and read 3059 times:

Why would the Reposition flight be to PHX?


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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25692 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 1 day ago) and read 3051 times:
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AirplaneBoy:

Travis, this is 807 - before the problem:

http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=247918

Jetmek, who posts here sometimes, knows more about the accident, but I think he has only just gone back to Hamburg.

UAXDXer:

All Frontier's aircrat are delivered to PHX and their first flight to DEN is a revenue flight.

It is a tax thing.

cheers

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlineAirplaneBoy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 574 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 22 hours ago) and read 2976 times:

Hi Mariner!

Thanks for the link....great plane!

It's unfortunate we're not gonna have her on time as this will disrupt our October flight schedule (particularly LAX's). We were planning our October schedule around having this additional aircraft.

How do you get information on those kinds of links? Thanks!

Travis


User currently offlineFrntman From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 209 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 15 hours ago) and read 2879 times:

Change of plans for a/c 934.....

Rather than going to PHX, it will come to MCI on Sep 29 at 1500 local for maintenance and quality control inspections. It will then operate the first revenue flight later in the evening.



User currently offlineJetmek319 From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 199 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 15 hours ago) and read 2869 times:

Hello Chaps,
Frntman, your correct. A/C 934 is leaving EDHI on 29Sep, arriving in MCI 1500-1530. It will clear customs there in MCI after a stop in Gander for fuel.

Regarding 807 (MSN 2276)...Film at eleven. There is no date right now for accepting the aircraft. Airbus and Frontier are in discussions on a remedy for the situation, and no guessing on how long that will take. Frontier's position is pretty well set in stone.
Stay tuned....

Jetmek319



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25692 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 14 hours ago) and read 2790 times:
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Jetmek:

"Frontier's position is pretty well set in stone."

But what position would that be?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

AirplaneBoy:

The site is called: www.planepictures.net.

I haven't given a link to it, because at one stage there was some rivalry between this site and that one.

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlineJetmek319 From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 199 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 12 hours ago) and read 2705 times:

Double top secret for now, Mariner!!  Smile


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User currently offlineJetmek319 From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 199 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 12 hours ago) and read 2697 times:

Why would the Reposition flight be to PHX?

Unfortunately, Denver has an incredibly silly "inventory tax". The first flight into DEN must have pax or cargo onboard to avoid this tax.

AirplaneBoy- Both engines on MSN 2276 (807) had FOD damage.



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25692 posts, RR: 85
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 12 hours ago) and read 2691 times:
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I'd guessed that, Jetmek!

So I'll guess again - there may - stress "may" - be a replacement aircraft provided for a period of time - short period, long period, I don't know.

And since there isn't a spare 318 lying around, it would have to be something else.

Just a guess.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlineJetmek319 From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 199 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 12 hours ago) and read 2680 times:

Actually we have the opportunity to short-term extend one of the 733's for a stop gap. It won't impact the flight schedules any, but it sure is frustrating! Sad


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User currently offlineAirplaneBoy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 574 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 9 hours ago) and read 2606 times:

Thanks JetMek and Frntman for the clarification.

My curiosity about the delay of the aircraft stems from the employees being told that our STL nonstop will temporarily cease in Oct. "due to aircraft availability"--- whatever that may mean. We were also told that we will temporarily lose one daily DEN frequency (flight 407).

Any insight Frntman? If you want, feel free to e-mail me. I'll definitely ask my superiors more questions today.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Be safe....Warm regards....

Travis

[Edited 2004-09-22 21:32:10]

User currently offlineFrntman From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 209 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 3 hours ago) and read 2462 times:

Travis-

You're right.....the LAX-STL non-stops will be temporarily suspended due to the aircraft incident in HAM. How long this will be is anyone's guess. There are a few other routes which will also be impacted due to the incident, but I haven't heard anything about the Boeing's used as replacements. If so, that's news to me.

There was a revised November 7th schedule which detailed all of the changes. I don't have access to it at the moment as my e-mail is acting up.

Also, I heard that MCI will be seeing some additional delivery flights in the near future. They'll be positioned by gate 14 and will be clearly visible from the concourse parked perpendicular to the airport. Great photo op!




User currently offlineFlyboy80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1880 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 1 hour ago) and read 2379 times:

F9 is on their 33rd 319?

User currently offlineAirplaneBoy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 574 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2324 times:

Flyboy80---

Yup, it will be our 33rd A319. Registrations run from N901FR through N934FR (the newest ship coming in a few days). However, we do not have N911FR...I do not know if this is because of 9/11 or because the registration is already taken by another airline or party. The A318 that was damaged will become our 7th A318.

We also presently have several Boeing 737-300's that we are retiring by next year. Our A319/A318 deliveries are replacing the Boeings, and will also grow our fleet size next year. We will be an all A318/A319 operator next year.

I hope this helps.

Does anyone know how many A318's we have left on order? Our fleet plan shows 3 A318's coming, but then again- it also shows us as only receiving 4 318's this year. So perhaps some of our 318's came earlier than originally planned? Jetmek- I remember you and I discussed something similar a long time ago. Do you have any insight? Thanks.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Travis/LAX


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25692 posts, RR: 85
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2299 times:
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AirplaneBoy:

N911FR:


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It isn't a commercial plane, but I don't think Frontier would have wanted the 911 registration anyway, in view of what happened.

As to the A318's, the total present order was for the 7 aircraft. There have been rumors of a further order for some more, but they are only rumors.

Frontier, in their latest SEC filing, said it was their intention to lease a further number of A319 and A318 aircaft, but they have not said that a deal has been made, and if any deal has been made since then, it has not been announced - so no one could talk about it even if it were true.

cheers

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlineNwfltattendant From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 341 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2250 times:

What modifications are done at PHX, and are they done by AMS (the company) at PHX ??? If so, NW has done DC10 work there


Go yakkin !!!!!!
User currently offlineJetmek319 From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 199 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2199 times:

AirplaneBoy...As of this moment I don't have any further A318's on my schedule. That is not to say that there won't be any in the future. My schedule only runs out to July 2005 right now.

Nwfltattendant... We install some special "Frontier" equipment in PHX and MCI. Stuff like the AED (de-fib machine), a super-duper emergency med kit, some Frontier only placards, wheelchairs, etc, etc. The work is done by Frontier techs.

Jetmek319



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User currently offlineFrntman From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 209 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2111 times:

Here's some more additional news....

All future aircraft deliveries will go through MCI rather than PHX.

The reason being purely the savings on fuel.


User currently offlineQwerty From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 387 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2059 times:

All future aircraft deliveries will go through MCI rather than PHX.

The reason being purely the savings on fuel.


Why not just add Bangor to the system?


User currently offlineFrntman From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 209 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2036 times:

While personally I would love to see BGR added to our route system, but with only 23 daily passengers between DEN and BGR I think it's a bit down the list.  Big grin

User currently offlineAirplaneBoy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 574 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1989 times:

Hi Frntman...

That makes sense. Just out of curiosity-- why MCI and not a station we serve further east? Are the landing/parking fees more economical at MCI than our eastern stations?

Thanks.

Travis/LAX


User currently offlineFrntman From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 209 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1920 times:

The aircraft needs to land at a station that where we have our own maintenance personnel. This is for the placarding and installation of other F9 onboard equipment.

If we ever get a maintenance operation in a station on the east coast, you'll probably see the flights go there instead of MCI.



User currently offlineF9Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 703 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1823 times:

Didn't F9 open up a new maintenance base at MCI? There was talk of a possible hub at MCI if negotiations between F9 and Denver over getting new gates broke down, but these have been shelved, although MCI has flights to DEN, LAX and CUN on F9.

F9Fan


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