Ozzie From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 338 posts, RR: 0 Posted (10 years 7 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3666 times:
I recently read that the Prime Minister of India had used an Air India 744 to travel to the United States. What other leaders frequently charter aircraft from their national carriers or other carriers?
TriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4700 posts, RR: 41
Reply 1, posted (10 years 7 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3643 times:
From what I have read, leaders from most sub-Saharan countries. This usually takes the form that the Big Chief arrives at the airport with his entourage, charters the next available jetliner from the national airline and flies away for a couple of days 8be it for diplomatic or very often just personal reasons), putting the original schedule into disarray and stranding hundreds of "regular" passengers. I have heard such stories about Zimbabwe, Gabon and Cameroon.
Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
Lufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3245 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3634 times:
Yes Tristar 500 is right.
Infact that i why so many western/asian companies operating in Africa have an SAA only policy. If you can't fly on SAA (which isn't always possible...and it involves connecting at the end of africa...not always convient) for fights inside Africa, you charter a Citation etc or you don't go.
Oh, anybody know how Air zimbabwe is doing these days? They used to fly a 67 across the pond (the big pond from Africa to Australia that is!) into perth and i know QF dropped Harare a long time ago now?
BCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3490 times:
Bliar (sorry Blair) and his family used a JMC/Thomas Cook regular charter flight for one of their recent holidays to Sharm el Sheikh. The Blairs were given the first two rows to themselves. Other passengers had to wait almost an hour for the Blairs to board. It was reported that the passengers gave the Blairs a slow-clapping when they finally boarded.
I bet they wanted to charter a BA 777 for this trip but think of the backlash from taxpayers if they found this out.
Prince Andrew rarely uses BA. He more often uses aircrafts from the Queen's Flight, even just for his golfing trips!
MOL on SRB's latest attack at BA: "It's like a little Chihuahua barking at a dying Labrador. Nobody cares."
JGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3487 times:
The old Nat govt in SA used to use SAA 747's for their rare overseas jaunts (the SAAF only got the BBJ recently, and up till then the biggest VIP aircraft the SAAF had going was the Falcon). I remember one trip the much-loathed PW Botha did, to Europe, it was in the late 80's I think, he was in full State President fantasy mode (limo's with flags on, specially uniformed State Presidents Guard soldiers, all the business, and took an SAA 747 over, and had a 737 aircraft as well (not sure why, I think it was for short legs within Europe). Silly old fascist.
777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12555 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3479 times:
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Are you meaning her last trip because I have a very rare limited edition photo of the BA B777 at WLG with the Queen standing in front of it. Photo was taken just after the queen came of the plane after it landed from LHR, with the New Zealand Airforce, Army and Navy all doing the Royal Salute. Only three photos were prouduced of it.
Blake From Belgium, joined Sep 2004, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 7 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3363 times:
Interestingly enough, Belgian government leaders were "blamed" to not use SN for their flights...instead they used to (and still do I guess) "charter" Belgian Air Force jets.
This even got very broad media attention when amidst the struggle of SN to stay airborn, prime minister Verhofstadt travelled with a small staff (+/- 15pax) from Brussels to Amsterdam (300 kms) in a Belgian AF Airbus 310!
Hence the nickname for the Belgian Air Force ever since: AirVerhofstadt (or AirMichel after another enthousiast air force user vice-prime-minister Louis Michel).
Diesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1640 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (10 years 7 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3354 times:
You said 'Queen Elizabeth II, better known as the Queen of England'
Not strictly correct, as the following answer from her own website explains...
The title 'Queen of England' was last officially held by Queen Elizabeth I who ruled between 1558 and 1603. Queen Elizabeth II is Queen of England, but she is also Queen of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland - in other words Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. She is also Sovereign in a number of realms (certain countries within the Commonwealth, in which The Queen holds this constitutional position).
The Queen was proclaimed by different titles in the independent realms of the Commonwealth. The style and title proclaimed for the United Kingdom and its dependencies was: 'Elizabeth II, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith.'
Therefore to describe The Queen as 'Queen of England' is not strictly incorrect, but it is somewhat misleading as she is also Queen of other parts of the United Kingdom, and of the realms in the Commonwealth.
QANTASFOREVER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 7 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3277 times:
Yes that is correct Jasepl, Australia's head of state is Elizabeth II, by the Grace of God Queen of the Commonwealth of Australia and Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth. The Australian state recognises Elizabeth II as the Queen of Australia, thus Australia recognises it has a Royal family primarily made up of the consort to the sovereign, and the Crown Prince - in this case, Charles.
Leskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 69
Reply 20, posted (10 years 7 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3242 times:
Lufthansa, are you sure that Air Zimbabwe flew their B767s to Australia? I only remember the Qantas flights to Harare, but that's also a thing of the past... and has been for quite a while. I'm not sure that the ETOPS requirements would have allowed (or would currently allow) B767s operations between HRE and PER.
Anyhow, I can confirm that Robert Mugabe, pseudo-democratically "elected" dictator of Zimbabwe uses AirZim's planes on occasion: fortunately for me he stopped "hijacking" planes, in other words simply taking one out of the fleet, regardless if that plane is scheduled to fly a full load of passengers on an international flight or not...
I once had the dubious pleasure of flying on Air Zimbabwe's B767-200ER "Victoria Falls", Z-WPE, from Harare to Frankfurt (leaving HRE on 13 Feb 2000) with "Comrade President Mugabe", including his wife and about half his government on board: I sat in the second row of Economy Class, all except the last row of Business Class was sealed off for him and his wife.
For security reasons, that meant boarding and leaving the plane through the rear exit - not that bad in Harare on a summer evening, but really awful in Frankfurt on a winter morning...
Other than that - I think I've rarely since (or before) experienced such a smooth takeoff and landing, not on AirZim, not on any other airline...
MEA310 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2002, 660 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3130 times:
The Lebanese president uses MEA's aircraft(s),he flew to Brasil using the A330,and on other occasions the A321.Funny how the Lebanese PM has his private B777 while the government can't afford buying a Presidential aircraft
Angelairways From United Kingdom, joined Nov 1999, 503 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3122 times:
in response to one of the above posts...
British Airways is indeed a public limited company trading on the stock exchange, but it still retains status as flag carrier because it holds grandfather rights on many routes governed by strict bilateral agreements. In the eyes of the general public it is still 'britain's national carrier' despite VS attempts to put flags on their winglets and noses...
Imagine Blair or even worse.. imagine the Queen taking a VS 346! hahaha
Not old Lizzie!
PhotoLPPT From Portugal, joined Jul 2004, 522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3121 times:
Our VIP transport squadron (operated by the portuguese air force) operates three Dassault Falcon 50, and are used in pools by the President, Prime Minister and ministers, normally when travelling intra-EU.
For more distant travelling, it is not uncommon for the VIP to use TP regular flights (on executive class naturally) if the entourage is small or charter a TP A310/A340 or S4 A310 if the destination is not covered or there are lots of people travelling along.
Even this week, as our Prime Minister Santana Lopes headed to the UN meeting in New York, he used TP regular flight.