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User currently offlineOzzie From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 338 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3502 times:

I recently read that the Prime Minister of India had used an Air India 744 to travel to the United States. What other leaders frequently charter aircraft from their national carriers or other carriers?



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User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4695 posts, RR: 42
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3479 times:

From what I have read, leaders from most sub-Saharan countries. This usually takes the form that the Big Chief arrives at the airport with his entourage, charters the next available jetliner from the national airline and flies away for a couple of days 8be it for diplomatic or very often just personal reasons), putting the original schedule into disarray and stranding hundreds of "regular" passengers. I have heard such stories about Zimbabwe, Gabon and Cameroon.


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User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3213 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3470 times:

Yes Tristar 500 is right.

Infact that i why so many western/asian companies operating in Africa have an SAA only policy. If you can't fly on SAA (which isn't always possible...and it involves connecting at the end of africa...not always convient) for fights inside Africa, you charter a Citation etc or you don't go.

Oh, anybody know how Air zimbabwe is doing these days? They used to fly a 67 across the pond (the big pond from Africa to Australia that is!) into perth and i know QF dropped Harare a long time ago now?


User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3439 times:

"Blair Force One"...Tony Blair uses a chartered BA 777 quite often for trips...

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User currently offlineBENNETT123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7615 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3406 times:

One day, he is going to need a B777 and BA is not going to have one spare.

That would be great, let him see what everyone else has to put up with.

(No in the real world, it won't happen).


User currently offlineTrident2e From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3396 times:

British Airways is not a national carrier - it is a publicly quoted company.

User currently offlineLHR27C From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 1279 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3353 times:

Blair is the most well known, he tends to charter a BA 777, but did once charter Concorde to Andrews Air Force Base on the day she returned to service after the re-lining of the fuel tanks, etc.


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User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7107 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3344 times:

I know that the Queen of England regularly travels on BA (I see it on 'airport') although I do remember her using NZ on her trip down here.
Singapore PM also uses an SQ 777 I think.


User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3326 times:

Bliar (sorry Blair) and his family used a JMC/Thomas Cook regular charter flight for one of their recent holidays to Sharm el Sheikh. The Blairs were given the first two rows to themselves. Other passengers had to wait almost an hour for the Blairs to board. It was reported that the passengers gave the Blairs a slow-clapping when they finally boarded.

I bet they wanted to charter a BA 777 for this trip but think of the backlash from taxpayers if they found this out.

Prince Andrew rarely uses BA. He more often uses aircrafts from the Queen's Flight, even just for his golfing trips!





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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3323 times:

The old Nat govt in SA used to use SAA 747's for their rare overseas jaunts (the SAAF only got the BBJ recently, and up till then the biggest VIP aircraft the SAAF had going was the Falcon). I remember one trip the much-loathed PW Botha did, to Europe, it was in the late 80's I think, he was in full State President fantasy mode (limo's with flags on, specially uniformed State Presidents Guard soldiers, all the business, and took an SAA 747 over, and had a 737 aircraft as well (not sure why, I think it was for short legs within Europe). Silly old fascist.

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12172 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3315 times:
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ZKSUJ
Are you meaning her last trip because I have a very rare limited edition photo of the BA B777 at WLG with the Queen standing in front of it. Photo was taken just after the queen came of the plane after it landed from LHR, with the New Zealand Airforce, Army and Navy all doing the Royal Salute. Only three photos were prouduced of it.


User currently offlineQANTASFOREVER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3299 times:

The Queen of Australia in recent years has travelled on Qantas.
Prince Rainier flies on Air France out of Nice usually unless he hitches a ride on a charter jet.

QFF


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12172 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3295 times:
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Does Australia have a Queen? Yikes you learn something new everyday on this site Smile

User currently offlineRingwaymanc From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3283 times:

I know the Chinese prime minister uses an air china 747-400 when he goes visiting his mates!!!!!... Saw it at salztburg a few weeks back when he was visiting Mr Austrian prime minister

User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17044 posts, RR: 66
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3271 times:

Does Australia have a Queen? Yikes you learn something new everyday on this site

Australia does indeed have a Queen: Queen Elizabeth II, better known as the Queen of England. To quote the CIA factbook:

democratic, federal-state system recognizing the British monarch as sovereign

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/as.html

She is also the head of state of quite a few other countries in the Commonwealth.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12172 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3259 times:
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Didn't think Australia had their very own Queen, like what Japan does.

User currently offlineBlake From Belgium, joined Sep 2004, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3199 times:

Interestingly enough, Belgian government leaders were "blamed" to not use SN for their flights...instead they used to (and still do I guess) "charter" Belgian Air Force jets.
This even got very broad media attention when amidst the struggle of SN to stay airborn, prime minister Verhofstadt travelled with a small staff (+/- 15pax) from Brussels to Amsterdam (300 kms) in a Belgian AF Airbus 310!

Hence the nickname for the Belgian Air Force ever since: AirVerhofstadt (or AirMichel after another enthousiast air force user vice-prime-minister Louis Michel).

Regards,
Blake.


User currently offlineDiesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1638 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3190 times:

Starlionblue

You said 'Queen Elizabeth II, better known as the Queen of England'

Not strictly correct, as the following answer from her own website explains...

The title 'Queen of England' was last officially held by Queen Elizabeth I who ruled between 1558 and 1603. Queen Elizabeth II is Queen of England, but she is also Queen of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland - in other words Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. She is also Sovereign in a number of realms (certain countries within the Commonwealth, in which The Queen holds this constitutional position).

The Queen was proclaimed by different titles in the independent realms of the Commonwealth. The style and title proclaimed for the United Kingdom and its dependencies was: 'Elizabeth II, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith.'

Therefore to describe The Queen as 'Queen of England' is not strictly incorrect, but it is somewhat misleading as she is also Queen of other parts of the United Kingdom, and of the realms in the Commonwealth.


http://www.royal.gov.uk

So an analogy would be calling George W Bush President of California .....



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User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 39
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 days ago) and read 3183 times:

777ER:

Australians are subjects of "Elizabeth II, by the Grace of God Queen of the Commonwealth of Australia and Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth."

And guess what? Kiwis are subjects of "Elizabeth II, by the Grace of God of the Dominion of New Zealand and of Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith."

You do indeed learn something new every day!  Big grin


User currently offlineQANTASFOREVER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3113 times:

Yes that is correct Jasepl, Australia's head of state is Elizabeth II, by the Grace of God Queen of the Commonwealth of Australia and Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth. The Australian state recognises Elizabeth II as the Queen of Australia, thus Australia recognises it has a Royal family primarily made up of the consort to the sovereign, and the Crown Prince - in this case, Charles.

QFF


User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3078 times:

Lufthansa, are you sure that Air Zimbabwe flew their B767s to Australia? I only remember the Qantas flights to Harare, but that's also a thing of the past... and has been for quite a while. I'm not sure that the ETOPS requirements would have allowed (or would currently allow) B767s operations between HRE and PER.

Anyhow, I can confirm that Robert Mugabe, pseudo-democratically "elected" dictator of Zimbabwe uses AirZim's planes on occasion: fortunately for me he stopped "hijacking" planes, in other words simply taking one out of the fleet, regardless if that plane is scheduled to fly a full load of passengers on an international flight or not...

I once had the dubious pleasure of flying on Air Zimbabwe's B767-200ER "Victoria Falls", Z-WPE, from Harare to Frankfurt (leaving HRE on 13 Feb 2000) with "Comrade President Mugabe", including his wife and about half his government on board: I sat in the second row of Economy Class, all except the last row of Business Class was sealed off for him and his wife.

For security reasons, that meant boarding and leaving the plane through the rear exit - not that bad in Harare on a summer evening, but really awful in Frankfurt on a winter morning...

Other than that - I think I've rarely since (or before) experienced such a smooth takeoff and landing, not on AirZim, not on any other airline...

Regards,
Frank



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User currently offlineMEA310 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2002, 660 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2966 times:

The Lebanese president uses MEA's aircraft(s),he flew to Brasil using the A330,and on other occasions the A321.Funny how the Lebanese PM has his private B777 while the government can't afford buying a Presidential aircraft Embarrassment

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User currently offlineAngelairways From United Kingdom, joined Nov 1999, 502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2958 times:

in response to one of the above posts...

British Airways is indeed a public limited company trading on the stock exchange, but it still retains status as flag carrier because it holds grandfather rights on many routes governed by strict bilateral agreements. In the eyes of the general public it is still 'britain's national carrier' despite VS attempts to put flags on their winglets and noses...

Imagine Blair or even worse.. imagine the Queen taking a VS 346! hahaha
Not old Lizzie!


User currently offlinePhotoLPPT From Portugal, joined Jul 2004, 511 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2957 times:

Hi,

Our VIP transport squadron (operated by the portuguese air force) operates three Dassault Falcon 50, and are used in pools by the President, Prime Minister and ministers, normally when travelling intra-EU.

For more distant travelling, it is not uncommon for the VIP to use TP regular flights (on executive class naturally) if the entourage is small or charter a TP A310/A340 or S4 A310 if the destination is not covered or there are lots of people travelling along.

Even this week, as our Prime Minister Santana Lopes headed to the UN meeting in New York, he used TP regular flight.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

regards
Luis


User currently offlineA319114 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 541 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2944 times:

Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands reserves the upperdeck of KLM-flights if she is going somewhere far (for short trips she uses the official state aircraft, a F-70)


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25 Post contains images Caymanair : In Cayman, The government charters a Cayman Airways B737-300 for their flights, except for longer trips where they use the entir first-class section o
26 Trident2e : Angelairways - BA may be one of the UK's flag carriers but this thread was about national carriers (the definition of which is a carrier owned or cont
27 Imonti : The South African president has a BBJ, he uses that to hop around the world. Any other parliamentarian use SAA, unless you are one of the people who l
28 Rafabozzolla : Here in Brazil the executive power has 2 737-200s, a handfull of executive planes and a 707-320 known locally as "Sucatão" (big piece of trash). Beca
29 Kuba74 : Here in Poland the President as well as the government officials usually use either the Tu-154's or Yak-40 airplanes from special Air Force squadron b
30 BAxMAN : Trident, the British public as a whole are not, by any stretch of the imagination, airline enthusiasts and thus pay scant regard to the ins and outs o
31 KITH : It suprises me that Britain lets its PM fly on regularly scheduled airlines for his non-government duties. Any president, and every US President alway
32 Hailstone : the pope comes to mind, using AZ equipment (not that AZ actually is the vaticans' national carrier)
33 Jasepl : It suprises me that Britain lets its PM fly on regularly scheduled airlines for his non-government duties. Any president, and every US President alway
34 Angelairways : Yes KITH but british taxpayers do not 'worship' their prime minister (unlike the US president), in fact its quite the opposite, and his spendings are
35 TriStar500 : RE: the Pope From what I remember, the pope uses AZ only on some of his flights. It seems to be custom that the national airline of the visited countr
36 BCAL : how do you know the general public still sees BA as a national carrier? For starters VS is 49% owned by Singapore Airlines, so they are certainly not
37 BENNETT123 : The point is that George Bush is the President, and Head of State. In fact whereas George Bush is the Commander in Chief, Blair is not that either.The
38 Jasepl : but british taxpayers do not 'worship' their prime minister (unlike the US president), in fact its quite the opposite, That's something I've always fo
39 Upupandaway : Last time NZ's head of state came to visit (yes, she lives elsewhere!) they gave her a first class seat on the ANZ flight from LHR, infact the entoura
40 QANTASFOREVER : BCAL - Britain cannot afford to give their Prime Minister his own personal BAE146, let alone a B747 or even A380 (but I am sure Blair dreams of having
41 Mdutch : A319114, Queen Beatrix does not travel on the upperdeck. On state occasions the front of the plane is reserved for her and she usually travels in sea
42 StudentFlyer : The Indonesian head of state uses Garuda Indonesia A333 on international visits. I can't recall the last visit, but I remember watching her departure
43 Post contains links and images Spk : Thai prime minister usually flies chartered TG MD11. The Royal family usually flies First Class on TG with seats around them blocked. Sometimes if the
44 Post contains links and images Paul777 : Tristar500, I agree it probably happens but I know that the government/president of Senegal has a 727,View Large View MediumPhoto © Tim Feise - A
45 Post contains images Sian : In reference to previous posts, British Airways can no longer be Britain's "flag carrier", as it no longer serves any airport in Wales; Wales constitu
46 FLYSSC : Though the "République Française" has a fleet of A313 & A319 for the President and the Governement members travels, the French President Jacques Chi
47 FLYSSC : MEA310, Mr Hariri is using his private plane(s) for traveling. he offered his "services" to the "President" who, of course, has always refused.... The
48 BA : FlySSC, He recently traveled to Warsaw, Poland and Minsk, Belarus on an MEA A321. Before that he flew to Sao Paulo, Rio de Janerio, Brasilia, and I TH
49 Hz747300 : On this afternoon's episode of "Airport" on BBC America, it showed the Queen boarding what appeared to be a regular BA A319.
50 ETStar : The Ethiopian PM flew an Ethiopian Airlines 757-200 to the US recently, which routed ADD-Shannon-SomewhereInWashington. IIRC, one of the C-130s would
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