NWDC10 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (8 years 8 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5599 times:
I do expect NW to be US launch customer for the 7E7. I think NW will go for the 7E7-3 to "add" to their 757-300's. All the Airbus A330-200/300 will be delivered that they have on order now but they will add the 7E7-8 to to their A330-200/300's. As for engine choice, i'd be supprised if they ordered the GE engine. So i believe they will order and use the Rolls-Royce Trent 1000. As soon as they start flying the 7E7's, this will be a major advantage over all the other competitors. I don't see them ordering the Airbus A380. They are more conservative than that. I'm thrilled to see what really happens. Robert NWDC10
Jetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7336 posts, RR: 52 Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5469 times:
Yes, I do believe that NW will purchase the 7E7, and most likely will be the launch customer for it. I would be surprised if the ordered the Trent 1000, given the fact that GE engines reliability speaks for itself. I too, shre your opinion that we won't be ordering the A380. Too much aircraft for our markets. The 747-400 can handle it just fine, as well as adapt the aircraft with fluctuating loads seasonally. My opinion, the A380 will no where near live up to it's expectations, range-wise.
NWDC10 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5446 times:
The A380 would be non sence. Smaller airliners can add frequency on the "A380 routes" thus it would be hard to fill the A380. The 747'400 is perfect for NW. Maybe the GE engine will be better than the Trent 1000. The Trent 1000 is a very good product though. This is really exciting Jetjack74. See what happens. "Be Strong-Fly High Northwest" Robert NWDC10
Carpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2772 posts, RR: 4 Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5405 times:
This is interesting news.
NW getting 330s & 7E7 means, assuming they can obtain B-runway slots at NRT, they have flexibility over size of aircraft used on transpac and intra-Asia routes. They could land the 330s & 7E7s on the B-runway and increase flying with 744s to DTW & MSP if needed. I am sure they will pick-up some PW powered 744s from somewhere in the world in the next few years.
Also with the 7E7, NW can overfly the NRT hub and fly direct to places like PVG, HKG, BKK, etc from DTW. Maybe long, thin-routes such as MEM-NRT could be in the works.
I never thought NW would be interested in the 7E7 after the purchase of the 330s. I also don't think NW will be ordering the A380 anytime soon, if ever.
KEESJE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 6 days ago) and read 5259 times:
As soon as they start flying the 7E7's, this will be a major advantage over all the other competitors. I don't see them ordering the Airbus A380. They are more conservative than that.
HlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 7 Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5109 times:
I thought that they were getting the 7E7 to replace the DC-9s
Nyc777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5160 posts, RR: 49 Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5033 times:
All I heard is that they're studying the 7E7 launch order but is there a time frame when we'll hear something concrete from NW (and KLM)? Anyone out there in the know who can shed a little bit more light?
NWDC10 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4789 times:
Also, just imagine what routes can be created by NW when they get the 7E7-8. They can do DTW-HGK non-stop. It will create many thin but necessary markets. Robert NWDC10
NWAskyteam From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 75 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4726 times:
Gentlemen-
This is all clearly speculation. NW has looked into every aircraft in recent years as possible replacements for aging DC10s and 747-200s. The fact that they are looking at a joint purchase with KL means nothing. They have done this numerous times when looking at the 777 and 767-400 among others. I believe the company is satisfied with the -400 and new 330s. The 7E7 would be replacing what? Neither of these long haul aircraft are near retirement stage in NW's eyes and I don't believe they want to add yet another fleet type in the age of fleet standardization. Obviously the A380 has no place at NW given the type of routes flown. NW likes the hub and spoke operation in NRT and lives and dies by it. Point to point flying from US to Asia has been tried before and failed....SEA-HKG and SEA-KIX notably. The Asia market seems to have built-in instability that makes NW very nervous about committing to a new fleet type that really only would be practical on a few routes, MEM-NRT and DTW-HKG. Just my 2 cents.
NWAskyteam From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 75 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4667 times:
If they are an addition, where would they fly to? The 757-300s are perfect for high density domestic routes and west coast-HNL. The 7E7 would be too much airplane for those low yield markets. I don't see many markets in Asia where they would make sense on routes that NW would be willing to fly, with the exception of MEM-NRT and DTW-HKG like we stated before. Are there enough long thin routes that NW has considered to justify an order? How big a fleet would make sense economically to add yet another fleet type? I would think the numbers would have to be in the teens at least. I am speculating too. Watch NW order them tomorrow and make me eat my words.
NWDC10 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4636 times:
No one has to "eat" their words. When uyour right your right. When your wrong your wrong. The 7E7 can start opening up thin markets then when time goes on, add frequency to those markets. Robert NWDC10
Gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 88 Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4633 times:
I would be surprised if the ordered the Trent 1000, given the fact that GE engines reliability speaks for itself.
It does indeed... and many of the major airlines of the world bank on it every single day in and out.
Sure, people have had problems in the past. The GE90 got off to a rocky start. But your statement was a hasty generalization.
The Trent 1000 is a very good product though.
What? Its a nonexistent product that hasn't even finished design yet.
Scbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 11363 posts, RR: 50 Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4550 times:
I don't understand how people can make pronouncements about the reliability of the competing engines for the 7E7 when neither of them has even been built yet.
BTW, P&W is working with GE on the GENX engine, so that might bring the reliability angle down a bit!
PanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2601 posts, RR: 10 Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4546 times:
Could they use the 7E7 to possibly fly a route to a continent/ region they currently don't fly to, such as the middle east (TLV)? Also, what about non-stops from DTW to India? I know there is a bilateral in place, and they already fly to India via AMS, but possibly they could make it non-stop? I think that NW could absolutely steal the market going non-stop and being one of the few, if not the only, airline(s) in the next 5-8 years to fly non-stop to DEL or BOM!
Burnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7411 posts, RR: 9 Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4530 times:
Its more the speculation NWASkyTeam I would expect an order announcement by the end of November.
"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
Acidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1855 posts, RR: 10 Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4517 times:
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Northwest is already a GE customer, the DC-10s are CF6 powered and the A320 fleet has the CFM56. So that would presumably be their engine of choice.
Burnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7411 posts, RR: 9 Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4427 times:
As stated above, PW is working with GE on the engine.
"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
Nyc777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5160 posts, RR: 49 Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4422 times:
7E7 buyers wll only have a choice between GE's GENX and Roll's Trent 1000. P&W was not selected by Boeing to produce an engine for the 7E7. I don't know if they're going to be involved in GE's engine effort or not.
Bobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5980 posts, RR: 9 Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4424 times:
NWA is looking at the 7E7 like they look at every new and available aircraft on the market. No more no less for the 7E7. It wouldn't be very prudent if they didn't.
NWA, should they decide to order the 7E7, it will be because they have done an exhaustive study and decided the aircraft meets their needs.
Suggest we lower the heat on this one a bit. Burnside28 already has the order in place for November!!
NWDC10 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4402 times:
As the other post: When will NW "retire" their DC-9's? When will NW "order" the 7E7? Robert NWDC10
25 Burnsie28: Suggest we lower the heat on this one a bit. Burnside28 already has the order in place for November!! Because their are things that I know that you do
26 Burnsie28: Suggest we lower the heat on this one a bit. Burnside28 already has the order in place for November!! Because there are things that I know that you do
27 NWDC10: I'm laughing now. Lets take out the "Magic 8 Ball" and see how many 7E7's NW orders. It reads 15. Just kidding. LOL Robert NWDC10
28 Nyc777: Because there are things that I know that you dont Well it sounds like you alrady know NW intentions to order the 7E7 in Nov. is that what you're sayi
29 NWDC10: NW still has the DC-10 which will eventually be retired. Minus the DC-10 but add a 7E7 still has the same number in a "mixed" fleet. Robert NWDC10
30 Frugalqxnwa: Burnsie28, Would you care to elaborate a little? This is the second thread I have seen you wink and grin when questioned about your source. All: A 7E7
31 NWDC10: If it is true at $150/barrel of oil, say good bye to the airline industry or say hello to major government subsidies. Robert NWDC10
32 NWAskyteam: An NW order certainly is not pending as the launch date is nearly four years away. It is not like they have to wait in a very long line to order. Why
33 Kim777fan: Not bad. This time we got through 5 posts related to NWA before the term "DC9" was uttered. That would be SAH-WEET to see the 7E7's in NW livery landi
34 BillElliott9: Burnsie28 This is truly meant as sincere advice: I admire your enthusiasm and passion for NW but this is the second time in a couple of days I have se
35 Raggi: Is PW really working with GE on the GENX? They are certainly cooperating on the GP7000 for the A380, but I've never read about that being the case wit
36 AGrayson514: As far as new destinations, what about direct to MNL, TPE, HKG, SIN, India (not sure where?) and maybe we might see them moving into South America. Al
37 Carpethead: There are more than a couple of routes, NW can use to Asia on 7E7. DTW-PVG, HKG, PEK, CAN, ICN, BKK, SIN, & MNL all not-stop is not out of the realm.
38 AA787: Does anyone know the number of frames we can expect to be ordered? AA787
39 NWA330Tony: As much as i love airbus and the A330 in particular i would have to say having the 7E7 side by side with the A332 for the pacific fleet could open alo
40 Brons2: This is interesting news. This is not news, these are rumors started by teenage armchair CEO's.
41 Rj111: This thread is total mental masturbation. NW are simply looking at the 7e7 like any other half-intellegent airline and suddenly we are charting up whi
42 Brons2: This thread is total mental masturbation. Truer words were never spoken.
43 ILSApproach: Brons2...................you hit it on the head! Thank you! ....................and that's not a cigarette! Mike @ MSP
44 HlywdCatft: I really think that with Delta possibly going under and US too, Northwest wants to really get involved on European routes. Being that Delta and Northw
45 Njoizflyin: I have no emotional stake in the engines/seats/lavs/ or orders from this airline or that about a plane that is not in service yet. Until I happen to s
46 Jetjack74: What ever happened to DTW-PEK? It was suspended by the close of 2001. Loads were dropping off significantly after 9/11. PVG was soon cancelled as well
47 Thrust: Now that I think about it, wouldn't it make more sense that NW might order Airbus' answer to the 7E7?
48 NWDC10: What if the 7E7 doesn't come up to 20% in fuel saving expectations? It sounds like another MD-11 then. Airlines will be upset. Then why waste time wit
49 NWDC10: I just wanted to add. "Just because a jet is a little more fuel efficient, DOESN'T mean that it will be purchased" Robert NWDC10
50 Rj111: NWDC10, you seem to be saying that a lot of late, why dont you make it your signature!
51 Nwaflyboi: 7E7 not a 757 replacement.However I have been reading Boeing wants to develop all its new aircraft like the 7E7.7E7-3(289pax3500miles)7E7-8(217pax9000
52 NWDC10: There is alot of potential the 7E7 can do that other a/c can't. Robert NWDC10
53 FlyABR: get real guys....NWA will order the A350 when it becomes available...and supplement the 757 fleet with A321s...
54 Nwaflyboi: airbus is getting harder to negotiate prices.Our A321's will be bought from USAirways at better bargain basemsent prices for airbus aircraft.
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