NWDC10 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (8 years 8 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5599 times:
I do expect NW to be US launch customer for the 7E7. I think NW will go for the 7E7-3 to "add" to their 757-300's. All the Airbus A330-200/300 will be delivered that they have on order now but they will add the 7E7-8 to to their A330-200/300's. As for engine choice, i'd be supprised if they ordered the GE engine. So i believe they will order and use the Rolls-Royce Trent 1000. As soon as they start flying the 7E7's, this will be a major advantage over all the other competitors. I don't see them ordering the Airbus A380. They are more conservative than that. I'm thrilled to see what really happens. Robert NWDC10
Jetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7336 posts, RR: 52 Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5469 times:
Yes, I do believe that NW will purchase the 7E7, and most likely will be the launch customer for it. I would be surprised if the ordered the Trent 1000, given the fact that GE engines reliability speaks for itself. I too, shre your opinion that we won't be ordering the A380. Too much aircraft for our markets. The 747-400 can handle it just fine, as well as adapt the aircraft with fluctuating loads seasonally. My opinion, the A380 will no where near live up to it's expectations, range-wise.
NWDC10 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5446 times:
The A380 would be non sence. Smaller airliners can add frequency on the "A380 routes" thus it would be hard to fill the A380. The 747'400 is perfect for NW. Maybe the GE engine will be better than the Trent 1000. The Trent 1000 is a very good product though. This is really exciting Jetjack74. See what happens. "Be Strong-Fly High Northwest" Robert NWDC10
Carpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2772 posts, RR: 4 Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5405 times:
This is interesting news.
NW getting 330s & 7E7 means, assuming they can obtain B-runway slots at NRT, they have flexibility over size of aircraft used on transpac and intra-Asia routes. They could land the 330s & 7E7s on the B-runway and increase flying with 744s to DTW & MSP if needed. I am sure they will pick-up some PW powered 744s from somewhere in the world in the next few years.
Also with the 7E7, NW can overfly the NRT hub and fly direct to places like PVG, HKG, BKK, etc from DTW. Maybe long, thin-routes such as MEM-NRT could be in the works.
I never thought NW would be interested in the 7E7 after the purchase of the 330s. I also don't think NW will be ordering the A380 anytime soon, if ever.
Nyc777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5160 posts, RR: 49 Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5033 times:
All I heard is that they're studying the 7E7 launch order but is there a time frame when we'll hear something concrete from NW (and KLM)? Anyone out there in the know who can shed a little bit more light?
NWAskyteam From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 75 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4726 times:
This is all clearly speculation. NW has looked into every aircraft in recent years as possible replacements for aging DC10s and 747-200s. The fact that they are looking at a joint purchase with KL means nothing. They have done this numerous times when looking at the 777 and 767-400 among others. I believe the company is satisfied with the -400 and new 330s. The 7E7 would be replacing what? Neither of these long haul aircraft are near retirement stage in NW's eyes and I don't believe they want to add yet another fleet type in the age of fleet standardization. Obviously the A380 has no place at NW given the type of routes flown. NW likes the hub and spoke operation in NRT and lives and dies by it. Point to point flying from US to Asia has been tried before and failed....SEA-HKG and SEA-KIX notably. The Asia market seems to have built-in instability that makes NW very nervous about committing to a new fleet type that really only would be practical on a few routes, MEM-NRT and DTW-HKG. Just my 2 cents.
NWAskyteam From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 75 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4667 times:
If they are an addition, where would they fly to? The 757-300s are perfect for high density domestic routes and west coast-HNL. The 7E7 would be too much airplane for those low yield markets. I don't see many markets in Asia where they would make sense on routes that NW would be willing to fly, with the exception of MEM-NRT and DTW-HKG like we stated before. Are there enough long thin routes that NW has considered to justify an order? How big a fleet would make sense economically to add yet another fleet type? I would think the numbers would have to be in the teens at least. I am speculating too. Watch NW order them tomorrow and make me eat my words.
NWDC10 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4636 times:
No one has to "eat" their words. When uyour right your right. When your wrong your wrong. The 7E7 can start opening up thin markets then when time goes on, add frequency to those markets. Robert NWDC10
PanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2601 posts, RR: 10 Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4546 times:
Could they use the 7E7 to possibly fly a route to a continent/ region they currently don't fly to, such as the middle east (TLV)? Also, what about non-stops from DTW to India? I know there is a bilateral in place, and they already fly to India via AMS, but possibly they could make it non-stop? I think that NW could absolutely steal the market going non-stop and being one of the few, if not the only, airline(s) in the next 5-8 years to fly non-stop to DEL or BOM!
Nyc777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5160 posts, RR: 49 Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4422 times:
7E7 buyers wll only have a choice between GE's GENX and Roll's Trent 1000. P&W was not selected by Boeing to produce an engine for the 7E7. I don't know if they're going to be involved in GE's engine effort or not.