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Air India Last Scheduled International 742 Flights  
User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3574 times:

Air India's last three remaining Boeing 747-237B Classics have been removed from all scheduled international flights during the Winter 2004 schedule.

The aircraft will be retained as hot spares for the Boeing 747-337M Combis however and for Hajj charters as well as Delhi fog shuttles in December/January.

In the meanwhile though, the final planned scheduled international flights with these aircraft will occur in the upcoming weeks to Frankfurt, Tokyo and Bangkok - all in substitution for a Boeing 747-337M Combi that will be undergoing scheduled maintenance.

Frankfurt : The 742 will operate AI 165 of October 1 BOM-DEL-FRA arriving Frankfurt at 1130hrs and departing at 1400hrs.

Bangkok : The 742 will operate AI 302/305 of September 28 and October 5 BOM-DEL-BKK-NRT vv, arriving BKK at 2305 hrs through 0015 hrs on September 28/29 and October 5/6 and again 1610 hrs through 1720 hrs on September 29 and October 6.

Tokyo : The 742 will operate AI 302 of September 28 and October 5 BOM-DEL-BKK-NRT as well as AI 308 of October 2 BOM-DEL-NRT, in all cases arriving Tokyo at 0800hrs and departing at 1200hrs.

Spotters in these cities should keep an eye out for their likely last ever glimpse of these venerable workhorses.

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User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3531 times:

 Crying  Crying


I will miss them... why does AI actually retire them? OK, they are old, but doing well enough, he? too high operational costs? Is it better for AI to keep them for Haj etc. than selling them (I guess there must be a potential of buyers..)


User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 39
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3434 times:

What aircraft will replace the 742s on the BKK, NRT, JED routes then?

User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3327 times:

What aircraft will replace the 742s on the BKK, NRT, JED routes then?

I thought the 742 is de facto already out of regular service and these routes are already served by 744s (NRT by 743), and the 742 is only used with high pax load  Confused


User currently offlineThunderbird1 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 days ago) and read 3272 times:

Too bad. You've gotta love the Emperor-named Classics.

User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 39
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3220 times:

Well, duh to me! Ignore my ignorance...

User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3209 times:

"Too bad. You've gotta love the Emperor-named Classics."

Beautiful planes both in and out. And very evocative of a certain time and place in all our lives.

However, for those of us who are feeling nostalgic, I am sure that AI has not retired the cabin crew who first flew on those 742s 33 years ago !


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3212 times:

I am sure that AI has not retired the cabin crew who first flew on those 742s 33 years ago

Hey, be careful. That's my mom you are talking about!  Big grin



User currently offlineThunderbird1 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3190 times:

Thanks for the photo, Sean.

Am I reading the date on that correctly--India Today, August 2004? Is there a good article on AI in that issue?

Interesting how the Emperor Shahjehan titles are placed below the windows in that photo....


User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3171 times:

However, for those of us who are feeling nostalgic, I am sure that AI has not retired the cabin crew who first flew on those 742s 33 years ago !

Jaysit, if you don't stop with these statements I will probably die due to heavy laughter..  Big thumbs up


User currently offlineSpdbrdconcorde From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3151 times:

*Delhi fog shuttles in December/January*

What does that mean??? Confused


User currently offlineAirbusfanYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1434 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3134 times:

Delhi fog shuttles in December/January

In Dec/Jan DEL often has major fog, thus causing flight cancellations.
Pax need to be accomodated across network and in/out of DEL thus the flights are called "fog shuttles" Big grin
But I don't think this is their official name by AI.

Cheers,
Kaz



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User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 39
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3133 times:

Spdbrd, it means manna for those of us here in Bombay!

AI are based in BOM and almost all of their flights originate or terminate here. During most of the year, AI operate a number of their flights via Delhi and we end up with belief-defying routes such as BOM-DEL-SIN or BOM-DEL-DXB.

In the winter, the fog is very bad at DEL in the nights and mornings, so AI's flights skip the DEL stop. As a result, AI need to do a Delhi fog shuttle to get their DEL pax to and from BOM.


User currently offlineCBphoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1555 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3117 times:

 Crying ohhh...I am going to miss those old birds when they finally do go. It was a AI 747 classic that gave me my first ride in the cockpit back in the day, sitting on my grandfathers lap, on the captains side. And heck, look at me now, training to become an airline pilot  Smile who would have thought.
btw what are the regs of the classics that are still flying with AI?
May they go to a better world, where the classics fly forever!
Peace



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User currently offlineMagiccarpet From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3015 times:

My Salam to the great PW JT9D-7Q, Powering these 742s  Crying, I started as a apprentice in AI working on these powerful SUCKERS, the best engines that I ever worked on, till date; atleast with regards to changing engines (I hold type Lic on CF6, CFM56, RB211, V25 & Trents). You could replace a JT9D in 2hrs flat ( crew of 6), provided the LMM signed your O/T for rest of the shift Big grin.......................Those were the days at Sahar.

Hey Guys correct me if I am wrong, the TAJ MAHAL windows and MUGHAL paintings on the side panels were introduced for the first time on the AI 742s.





User currently offlineEksath From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1305 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2971 times:
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Hi Guys,

As a kid I flew Bombay-Trichy (spelling ?) on a Air India 747 (SURE ON THIS FACT) which was continuing to Australia (?) as part of regularly scheduled service. This is the details i remember and it was Fall 1979.

My question: Could this have been on one of these birds?

thanks

It was a very nice crew.(friendly to a kids  Smile/happy/getting dizzy). It was my only flight on Air India....Then i took an Indian Airlines DC-3 (?) to CMB.

Would appreciate your input if these details on aircrafts make sense with the fleet.



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User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2873 times:

My question: Could this have been on one of these birds?

Possible... but t could have been another bird out of AI's fleet already! Interesting that Trichy has a 747 Runway..

IC DC-3?? Really. Not 732??


User currently offlineAsianFA From Malaysia, joined Jul 2004, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2802 times:

I have always considered Air India as one of the most classic airlines with one of the most beautiful livery along with Thai International.Its a pity they are retiring the 747-200s.I am wondering does anyone have any pictures of the upper deck cabin on these classic aircrafts?Did they have a lounge instead of seats when they were first introduced??

User currently offlineBandA From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2775 times:

Sean,

That is an awesome pic!! got any more? and if you dont mind me asking, is your mom in that pic?

Everytime an airline retires a 747 classic, I feel sad. First JAL retires its classics on YVR-NRT-MEX routes and now this.

These classics started my love for aviation... just sad to see them go...

long live the 747 and its legend!

Mrniji,

Your suggestion about converting a retiring or retired 747 classic for VIP usage makes even more sense now  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2743 times:

The Air India lounge on the Upper deck of the 742s was fabulous. It had a little bar to the left of the spiral staircase. Ethnic chic to the max. I think the only other airline that had it beat was Pan Am in the mid to late 70s when it introduced upper deck restaurant style dining.

User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2728 times:

I sincerely hope it does not come in AI's mind to all of a sudden retire the fabulous A310!! I'd miss 'em too...  Big thumbs up

User currently offlineThunderbird1 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 day ago) and read 2699 times:

Boy, that delivery pic of VT-EBE looks great. It must have been a very exciting time for Air-India to take on new 747s.

User currently offlineThunderbird1 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 day ago) and read 2675 times:

Boy, that delivery pic of VT-EBE looks great. It must have been a very exciting time for Air-India when they took on the new 747s.

User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2564 times:

what are the regs of the classics that are still flying with AI?

Still airworthy are VT-EGA/EGB/EGC, plus VT-EFU is parked on the engineering ramps sans engines and is being cannibalized for spares.

That is an awesome pic!! got any more? and if you dont mind me asking, is your mom in that pic?

Thanks. Yes, my mother IS in the picture but in the interest of not exciting the horny teenagers here I won't be identifying which one she is.  Big grin Just remember, this was over 30 years ago!!!

As a kid I flew Bombay-Trichy (spelling ?) on a Air India 747 (SURE ON THIS FACT) which was continuing to Australia (?) as part of regularly scheduled service. This is the details i remember and it was Fall 1979. My question: Could this have been on one of these birds?

In 1979 the Australia flights routed from Bombay to Madras (not Trichy - AI has never flown there) and onward to Australia via Singapore. To be specific they routed BOM-MAA-SIN-PER-SYD-MEL-PER-SIN-MAA-BOM. Those were the days that AI used to maintain a crew base in Perth to cover the domestic Australian legs as well as the Singapore sectors.

And no, none of the aircraft still in the fleet were around in 1979. The oldest of them (VT-EGA) was delivered on December 23, 1979 and made her revenue service debut on January 1, 1980 on the Tokyo route.


User currently offlineB741 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 716 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2532 times:

Thank you for the post. Hopefully I can find a timetable of the last flights for my timetable collection.


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25 Jaysit : Sean - did your mum serve with Colleen Jhabvala? She was this superglam stew for AI who was on all their ads. I remember attending her wedding as a ki
26 B747-437B : I wrote this piece over 4 years ago when Shahjehan and Rajendra Chola were retired from the fleet, but it is just as applicable to the foursome of rem
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