Boeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2473 times:
Because he fails to see the real world outside the shpere of Airliners.net. Ask anyone random person around you if they've heard of A380...a person not affiliated with any internet aviation site, or anything aviation related. You won't like the response N754PR.
Arsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 21 Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2427 times:
Ofcourse it's famous among enthusiasts, but ask Joe on the street what an A380 is and they won't have a clue. In general, Boeing jet's are more well known than Airbus planes, the 747 (along with Concorde) was the most recognisable and famous aircraft in the world. But that is not to say the A380 won't become as famous. The A380's arrival will mark another milestone in aviation, it will receive huge media coverage when it's officialy rolled out and thus people around the world will be aware of the largest passenger jet in the world.
VSXA380X800 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 421 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2138 times:
Because he fails to see the real world outside the shpere of Airliners.net. Ask anyone random person around you if they've heard of A380...a person not affiliated with any internet aviation site, or anything aviation related.
This is so true, I ask some one if they knew about the A380 and they had no clue at all. I even asked the person if they knew what Airbus was, you guess it, no clue at all. Maybe its because Boeing loves the plublisity and that's a way Airbus should get their word out.
DfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 848 posts, RR: 51 Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2116 times:
I think the A380 is analogus to the LCC scene in the U.S.
Just about everyone knows who Southwest Airlines is, they pioneered the LCC business model that has been copied and modified all over the world. B6 might be popular in their region, but outside the cities they serve, they have no where near the "name brand" that WN has. Same with Colca Cola... I know people who call anything in a can (that isn't beer) a Coke. "Hey grab me a coke," "no problem.... Dr. Pepper or Coke?"
Boeing became a household name with the 707 and 747, I don't see that happening with Airbus and the A380. It's big... been there done that.
Greg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1995 times:
The A380 is a commanding aircraft...but not a revolutionary one as readily admitted to even by Airbus (14% of it's reputted 18% CASM improvement over the 744 is due to capacity increase). I expect it will become a huge success in the coming years.
But, it will never generate the type of worldwide buzz that the 747 created--only ten years into the jet age. The 747 sparked the term JumboJet...and the numbers 7-4-7 meant only one thing: HUGE. The 380, while 30% larger...is not the 250% increase that the 747 had over its predessor.
Sure, the 380 has a lot of posts....as will the 7e7....and all subsequent mainstream aircraft.
Lehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 22 Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1834 times:
Actually you may have to take it back to the mid to late 1930's with the Me262.
The way I see us going sonic in a transport 20 years after Yeager frist broke the barrier, technically we should have gone hypersonic by 1981, which would be the Space Shuttle. It's still a transport, though the shuttle is just a space freighter.
Do the math, the infamous Aurora spyplane will both retire and be relvealed in 2012 and we'll have another bunch of 'things' by 2023 that should be better than A380 and 787. I'll bet one is sonic.
The meaning of life is curiosity; we were put on this planet to explore opportunities.
RIX From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1785 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1696 times:
"Boeing jet's are more well known than Airbus planes" - somehow Boeing is the only known to a general public at all, even Douglas was not known ("Douglas? A French one?" - I was asked this in 1996) despite being a real leader at least until mid-50's.
"the 747 (along with Concorde) was the most recognisable and famous aircraft in the world." - I'd say, Concorde is way more well known than 747. And, yes, besides these two, no other airliner is known to a general public. I think, 380 has a good chance to become No3, even as, obviously, "it will never generate the type of worldwide buzz that the 747 created". 7E7? - hardly, "too conventional"...
UAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2331 posts, RR: 11 Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1681 times:
Mariner, and others!
I guess that he meant one that would fly! The Comet was a horrible failure and could have hurt the Jet as a whole if there would have been news coverage like there is today. Not until the 707 was the world really into the "Jet Age"
Greg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 1525 times:
The 707 made it's first commercial flight in 59/59.
The 747 in 69/70.
Roughly ten years...not 18.
The original Comet? A tragic jet that should not have had it provisional titles changed to commercial. Anyway, it carried, what, 50 passengers? British pride, aside, it was instantly outclassed by the 707....largely considered to be the aircraft that heralded the jet age for the world.
If you want to split hairs, that's ok. I'll stand by my original comments.
RIX From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1785 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1462 times:
this has nothing to do with America/Europe (the person that asked me about Douglas to be French was Russian speaking new immigrant, BTW). In car industry everyone knows Mercedes, Ford, Toyota. Or Honda, Volvo, Chevrolet. In aircraft industry everyone that knows any manufacturer at all, knows Boeing. Nothing even close for Douglas, Airbus, Lockheed. This is what it is, nothing to do with real role these manufacturers play in the industry. As for A380 to be "most famous" in this forum - why not? The largest passenger aircraft ever, already in metal... and we are not just general public, are we?
"The 707 made it's first commercial flight in 59/59.
The 747 in 69/70.
Roughly ten years...not 18" - hmm... The first jet passenger flight took place on May 2nd, 1952. The second jetliner entered service in 1956 (yes, Tu104... hope this won't start another "Russian aircraft aren't any good" nonsense here). The first one across the Atlantic was, again, Comet 4. Now, if this all is not a "jet age" then, well...
Pelican From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 2531 posts, RR: 8 Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1375 times:
At least here in Germany Airbus is also well known and Boeing has no marketing advantage. 172.000 German Google hits for Airbus and 147.000 German Google hits for Boeing.
The most known aircraft is of course the 747 "Jumbojet".
Arrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2637 posts, RR: 2 Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1359 times:
At the risk of turning this into a B vs DH thread, it should be pointed out that the lessons learned from the fatigue issues on the Comet were invaluable to Boeing and the development of the 707. In fact, deHavilland made all the data from their investigations widely available. The Comet IV was a fine aircraft that gave many years service, and pioneered jet travel between North America and Europe.
Take the Comet out of the picture, and you might have seen a few 707s explode from stress cracks around the windows. I wonder if Boeing would have been so generous with the results of its research.
And try not to forget that one of the reasons the Brits led the US in the development of commercial jet airliners lay in the fact that British engine technology was well ahead of the US at the time. Until the early 50s, most US jet engines were improved knock-offs of Rolls Royce technology. General Electric's "first" jet engine was a licence-built RR product.
Bottom line -- if you're going to tout the 707, and not the Comet, as the first successful jet airliner, then it's time to yank away the Wright Brothers standing as first in the air. The Wrights may have been first, but the Europeans quickly vaulted ahead from a technological standpoint and America didn't begin to recapture the lead until the 1940s.
Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
RIX From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1785 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1319 times:
Well, I am not talking about marketing advantage, ... - I just mean that if a person knows Airbus, Lockheed, ..., then he/she definitely knows Boeing. No way the opposite - I'm pretty sure, even in Germany (may be wrong, of course... but, indeed, can't imagine anyone that can name some aircraft manufacturers won't know Boeing - again, this is what it is, has totally nothing to do with "which is better" and so on... I'd even say, "pretty not fair" but still, this is what it is - somehow Boeing is uniquely famous, unlike car manufacturers from my example in the above post). As for 747 to be the most famous - I know (and there were posts here) about some other aircraft being called 747, or just "any jet is 747", ..., ... - but, I think, much less "general people" would make same mistake about Concorde. Even here, in the US, where 747 "supposed to be" the most famous.
Lehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 22 Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1238 times:
I think the real question is: Famous to whom? Just because doesn't make it so.
If to us here on the forums, any number of random polls will do the trick. Some care for stats, others care for other stats.
If it is to the world, then it would be the one or two that people can identify. They don't care for stats. And since they outweigh us, the winner takes all.
Besides, we have to consider perceptive bias here: If you really like something, it is famous TO YOU. If you hate something or don't see the point of it, you will not understand why some people give a damn, i.e. infamous.
The meaning of life is curiosity; we were put on this planet to explore opportunities.
25 Prebennorholm: Some comments about the DH Comet airliner on this thread are really out of line. The Comet was an extremely fine airliner. The Comet I had its problem
26 VSXA380X800: Google Hits: Boeing 747 : 315.000 Airbus A-380 : 88.500 Airbus A380 : 69.500 Boeing 7e7 : 48.800 Boeing 707 : 87.200 Boeing 777: 159.000 Gues that mak