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Saw A Beech Starship Today-- How Many?  
User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6896 posts, RR: 7
Posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4840 times:

How many of them are still flying? This one was SEbound toward OAK, a few miles north of the field around 1125 on 23 Sept. Passur says it was N8285Q from LMT to OAK. Did Beech offer to buy them all, but some owners hung onto them?

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User currently offlineRogerThat From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 566 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4775 times:

Timz,

Try to get your paws on the September 2004 issue of Air & Space. The Beech Starship is the cover plane.

Raytheon is trying to buy back all the Starships to get out of their customer support commitments. As of May, there are 4 Starships holding out. A few have been donated to museums (the article didn't say which) and the rest are in Marana, Arizona awaiting the wreckers ball.

This is a sad ending for such a revolutionary plane.



User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6896 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4674 times:

That same Starship (according to Passur) left Oakland about 1250 on 1 October bound for HDN-- that's Hayden, I guess?

User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4624 times:

Can't believe they'd want to get rid of such a pioneering plane. Now, if those last holdout owners absolutely don't want to get rid of their 'sweeties', what does Beech do?

Wish they'd museum them instead of scrapping...hell, donate them for free even. Has to be cheaper than killing them all, as there's probably not alot of high-value items on the airframes...I remember reading that the carbon fiber will be interesting to dismantle.

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4584 times:

Now, if those last holdout owners absolutely don't want to get rid of their 'sweeties', what does Beech do?

I'm sure Beech/Raytheon has set a date that they will no longer offer Customer Support...if it has not passed already. Those operators will basicly be flying an Edsel.



"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineIslandHopperCO From Micronesia, joined Dec 2003, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4505 times:

>>Those operators will basicly be flying an Edsel.

More like a flying a 1959 Ferrari...Starships are beautiful and very advanced for their time. If I had one and the means to keep it flying without Beech's support, there's no way I'd give mine up! I'd stock up on parts from those scrapped frames though...


User currently offlineCicadajet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4488 times:

Saw one over NYC harbor earlier this summer or spring. Quite surprised to see it of course.

Shame that it will likely be the last time I see one (flying at least anyway).


User currently offlineT prop From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1029 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4460 times:

As of May, there are 4 Starships holding out.

There was one passing through HNL on the way to Australia saturday. The N number began with a 7. Does anyone know what the complete N number would be?

T prop.



User currently offlineStar_world From Ireland, joined Jun 2001, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4381 times:

Don't forget the one that was used as one of the spotting aircraft for the SS1 flights... there's a good picture here:

http://www.overcode.net/~overcode/photos/ss1-first-xprize-flight/SpaceShipOne%20033.jpg


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4363 times:

I didn't mean it as to being junky and unwanted, more to no support, no way of getting parts and no service. NONE of the parts being scrapped can be resold. The entire airframe is being shreaded. Beech wants all the aircraft destroyed. The only savor in the long run may be the one owned by the Rutans, since they where a big part of its design.


"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29813 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4271 times:

Are you sure about taht EMBQA.

My understanding was that Beech was going to yellow tag the parts that came off the ones they where scrapping and warehouse them until the rest of the owners cave in or crash

Still if these are privately held aircraft that aren't used in commercial service, the owner or his mechanic can legally make any part on that airframe. Pratt&Whitney still is going to make motor parts.

A Starship owner isn't going to own one because it is cheap to operate, they are going to own the aircraft because of what it is.




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User currently offlineKiwiNanday From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4268 times:

I believe Scaled Composites flies one as a chase plane... because I saw pictures of one trailing SpaceShipOne when it came in to land (what do you know, you DO learn things by watching the Discovery Channel!)

Kiwi


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29813 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4252 times:

Now is scaleds a real starship or the 70% prototype they built?


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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4244 times:

http://www.bobscherer.com/Pages/Starship.htm

A very informative web site on all 53 Starships. As of April of this year the web site states: 42 are now owned by Raytheon, 4 are in private hands, one being Burt Rutans. ( 2 in CA, 1 in MS 1 in MI) and 4 are in museums.



[Edited 2004-10-05 02:57:47]


"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4491 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4227 times:

I remember reading that the carbon fiber will be interesting to dismantle.

I seem to remember something about them having to be incinerated (!!) or something...



I got my head checked--by a jumbo jet
User currently offlineGecko From Singapore, joined Sep 2004, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4223 times:

Forgive me for my ignorance, but why are Beech buying back all the aircraft? Are they dangerous or just to much of a strain on the support dept?

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29813 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4124 times:

The latter Gecko.

And they are planning to incinerate the aircraft, if they haven't begun to do so allready.

Frankly I would have thought they would have tired to farm out as many as they could have for museums, as a PR move. All they would have to do to permantly ground the aircraft would be to pull the data plate. The A&P school has an MU-2 that they got for free because Mitsubishi did exactly that.



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4083 times:

L-188-

The A&P school has an MU-2 that they got for free because Mitsubishi did exactly that.

Are you saying the A&P School you went to had an MU-2..? Mine did too... in So. Carolina.



"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineJAXpax From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4086 times:

There's still plenty of MU-2s flying around... the FBO workers here hate them.

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29813 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3985 times:

Yes EMBQA that is what I meant....must have been the cold medicine I took. But I guess that is how I know that it works  Laugh out loud

Those MU-2's as some of the loudest aircraft I have ever had the displeasure of being around...Anybody know why?

They even drown out Lyndon's Herks when they taxi by.



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3899 times:

Those MU-2's as some of the loudest aircraft I have ever had the displeasure of being around...Anybody know why?

Two words.... Garrett TPE-331. That little bugger can just screams. One reason, it runs at 100% all the time... the second is its small intake, that will really increase the noise level.

L-188... my question was.. if your AP school had an MU-2 and my AP school had an MU-2.....maybe we went to the same AP school.



"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26718 posts, RR: 75
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3877 times:

Why is Raytheon so aggressive in ending the life of these birds? Did they offer good warenties that went beyond the plane's reliability?


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User currently offlineRogerThat From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 566 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3821 times:

Who knows why Raytheon is being such a horses a.. with the Starship. Buying back is one thing but busting up such a work of art is a crying shame.

Great article in Air and Space a few months ago. For a back issue,

http://www.airandspacemagazine.com/asm/Mag/Index/2004/AS/Contents.html



User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29813 posts, RR: 58
Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3803 times:

I started the A&P program at the University of Alaska, Anchorage. Just did enough classes to get the tech minor for my logistics degree, I am not licensed or anything.

EMBQA, the company I work for operates or ..ed four different types of 331 powered aircraft, the MU-2 definatly outscreamed them all.



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User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3712 times:

I seem to remember something about them having to be incinerated (!!) or something...

I had heard a blurb about that somewhere too. I don't think traditional aircraft dismantlers are versed in handling this stuff daily. I know the few times that Navy has had to dispose of "old" (written off or stripped birds) Hornets (which are loaded with composite parts), they'd just bury them or blow 'em up on the range, since this stuff is so tough to deal with. There's a rumor that several Hornets are/were buried at the old NAS Cecil Field down there in Jax.

Sad to see em go...such hot little Biz planes  Sad

DeltaGuy


25 Post contains images N405MX : There´s one in TAM, I saw it about 6 months, (I think it´s still there ), they don´t fly it too much, the reg start´s with N, dunno the operator o
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