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Havana Cuba, What U Can Expect...  
User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3312 times:

I have been told by two good sources that when Fidal Castro kicks the bucket, HAV will blow up as the next huge tourist island. The beaches are as amazing as any in the Caribbean I've seen. What carriers are likely to push to get into HAV in the future? U.S carriers? UA? Anyone fly there now from U.S.?

Regards,
AA777jr

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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25281 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3238 times:
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Because of the trade embargo, no US airline can provide scheduled service from the US to Cuba.

Some charter flights are allowed, to take those people who are allowed by the State Department to visit the island.

The island is (possibly) the most beautiful, next to Jamaica, of all the Caribbean islands.

Everyone is expecting tourism to Cuba to boom when the government changes (when Castro dies/leaves/goes), but there may be some hiccups along the way.

The first thing that may happen is that all the Cuban exiles in Miami will go hurtling back to claim land or property that they say used to belong to them. It could get ugly for a while.

But yes, at some point, things will settle down and the island will have bulk tourism from the US. Just about every US carrier will be waiting in line to get rights to fly there.

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3218 times:

Hey

i flew there in 2002 on Delta from JFK and buesniess there was booming. But now that Bush has band most flights from the US but maybe if Kerry wins the election things will change.



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User currently offlineJfkaua From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1000 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3208 times:

I don't know maybe its just me.. but do you really think people are going to rush there... When I think cuba I immediatly think of bad things and I don't know It just has some negative aura around it... maybe It just needs a name change  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25281 posts, RR: 85
Reply 4, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3198 times:
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Maybe this will put things in perspective. As I said, there are no scheduled flights from the US, but there are charters:

http://www.frommers.com/destinations/cuba/3173030011.html

And here's one about Americans visiting Cuba - legally and illegally:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/getaways/012298/cbar22.html

cheers

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7546 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3197 times:

Hey

i flew there in 2002 on Delta from JFK and buesniess there was booming. But now that Bush has band most flights from the US but maybe if Kerry wins the election things will change.



That embargo has been in place long before even Bush Senior was in office.

Also, i dont think DL has flown JFK-HAV unless it was a charter flight.



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User currently offlineTrickijedi From United States of America, joined May 2001, 3266 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3166 times:

Great articles Mariner, thanks! Big thumbs up



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User currently offlineCorpsnerd09 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3157 times:

They have charter flights that are allowed for only certain people... these include:

Former exiled Cuban Citizens visiting family, news reporters, aide workers, government officials, and people on official company business (such as a head of CO visiting the airline officials there).

Normally, people who are not on this list and want to go to Cuba from the US use a third party nation. They simply buy a ticket to Nassau, then in Nassau buy a Bahamasair ticket to Havana... same when coming back. You can't buy tickets to Cuba from the US, even if you're connecting, you must buy the ticket in the interveening nation. Other options are Mexico, Canada, or Jamaica.

I know that's how Cubans here send money and presents to family in cuba, the courier companies send them through mexico or the bahamas.

Charters are allowed, but they must be approved. The government approved ones we have now are for the people on the above list.



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User currently offlineBruno From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 853 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3151 times:

Tourism is booming already without Americans.


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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3128 times:

Hey

in 2002 delta did indeed fly from JFK-HVN with a Delta Shuttle B738.
But that has now since ceased. Cuba is a beautiful counrty and i can see why people would want to go. There is no danger there.



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User currently offlineCsavel From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1363 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3109 times:

Supposedly, the restriction isn't in going to Cuba, but in spending money to do so or spending money while there. That is why even going from a third country is problematical and illegal. But if you are an American, and say your rich Canadian in-laws invite you down for a winter holiday and they pay for *everything*, there isn't jack that the US gov can do about it. One would advise those trying this to have proof of who paid.


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User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3087 times:

Taca also have flights from major U.S. cities through SAL to Havana, almost every day.

User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3072 times:









photos from HVN and JFK



No Vueling No Party
User currently offlineMia From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 873 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3054 times:

Well, first of all Im getting really ticked off with these politically motivated statements. Cuba is a tourism powerhouse, with or without Fidel.

Firstly, U.S. carriers are on the Jose Martí 2. Jose Martí 2 is crappy and is dedicated only to flights from America. There are charter flights from New York City, Miami, and Los Angeles. Most of those are from Miami on Continental, American Eagle, and Falcon Air.

Jose Martí 3 is an incredibly planned airport with an awesome design. It is served by most major airlines with charter or scheduled operations.

Americans can go 'without' detection by flying to Panama City and purchasing the 20 dollar entry permit at the airport.



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User currently offlineGLA MD11 From France, joined Mar 2000, 277 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3038 times:

I went there a few years ago, flying there with late AOM from Paris ORY. At that time, I have seen IB 742 and AF 744 who had regular summer service.
With the embargo, I guess no US company will fly there for a while. The first one to go there will probably be AA from MIA, considering the cuban community in Florida.
Cuba is a great place. The beaches are amazing, the women gorgeous, salsa is danced everywhere every night. It is an awesome place, believe me. Too bad they are emprisoned in a pointless political system. Just my 2c.


User currently offlineAviationman From Canada, joined Dec 1999, 634 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3027 times:

You guys.....Stop calling it HVN.......No it's HAV!

User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25281 posts, RR: 85
Reply 16, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3002 times:
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Mia:

It isn't quite that simple. Yes, Americans can get to Cuba, but there may be problems coming back - see the second article I linked in rely #4.

Plus, Americans cannot use a US based credit card in Cuba, so all hotel accomodation, etc., has to be paid for, in advance, with a travel agent in a third country.

I agree with you that Cuba is doing very well with tourism from non-US companies. But when the embargo is lifted I think he growth in tourism will be exponential.

cheers

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2906 times:

Keep in mind that the following airlines already have (obviously dormant) route authorities to fly between the US and Cuba:

DL: HAV-IAH/LAX/MSY/SFO/SJU
CO (inherited from Eastern): HAV-FLL/PBI
UA: CMW-BOS/BWI/DFW/EWR/IAH/JFK/LAX/MIA/MSY/PHL/SFO/SJU/STT/STX/IAD and HAV-BOS/BWI/DFW/EWR/EYW/IAH/JFK/LAX/MIA/MSY/PHL/SFO/SJU/STT/STX/IAD

Needless to say, when it comes to airlines starting service to Cuba when the embargo is lifted, look to these airlines first...



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User currently offlineLnglive1011yyz From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 1608 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2883 times:

Just do what most smart americans do.

Come to Canada, and fly from here.. There's gotta be at least 1 or 2 flights a day to Cuba (I don't have any particular knowledge, I just hear friends and family going all the time).
**By the way, I *DO* know it is illegal to travel to Cuba if you're an American, EVEN through other countries. But if you ask any airline employee here in YYZ, half of the people on board the flights to Cuba are filled with Americans.**
I particularly don't like Cuba. I much prefer Cancun, Mexico.

Cuba will change when Castro dies.. IF he doesn't pass the reigns to someone like him before hand.

1011yyz.



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User currently offlineCorpsnerd09 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2809 times:

I know plenty of people who have gone to Cuba. Living in Miami, there are so many cubans here that you see it daily. Of course, Cuban born immigrants and their children can go to Cuba, but I know many American born friends who have Cuban Boyfriends/Girlfriends/Spouses who have gone to Cuba, all have done it through a 3rd country.

Heck, everyone I know who has has gone through Jamaica. Air Jamaica apparently has a really good fare policy for Americans headed through cuba... and it makes more sense... I also know a few people who have flown through Nassau... but none were friends, just acquaitances and stories I've heard of.



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User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2662 times:

I would be willing to bet money that when Castro dies, his government dies, and the US will lift trade embargos to increase it's trade powers with Cuba. I would expect a few major carriers to pick up flights into HAV via ATL or MIA.

AA777jr


User currently offlineXXXX10 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 777 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2628 times:

Does anyone know what the us authorities would do if they catch their citizens going to Cuba, is it just a fine and a warning or is it more serious?

User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17044 posts, RR: 66
Reply 22, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2621 times:

I would be willing to bet money that when Castro dies, his government dies, and the US will lift trade embargos to increase it's trade powers with Cuba.


No kidding. The situation will have certain similarities to when Tito died, but we'll probably be spared the factional fighting.




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User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Reply 23, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2625 times:

A few days before Christmas 2002 I was down at SDM near the border. You can see aircraft depart Tijuana. I saw an IL-62 departing, so I put the binocs on it, and it was Cubana. I am sure there were many Americans on that flight.

User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2538 times:

AlitaliaMD11

Can you reload the pictures.

Unfortunately got nothing.


25 NAVEGA : Most of my friends have gone there on Mexicana via Mexico City and they say that it is absoutely a beautiful island. Vibrant and crawling with Europea
26 OB1504 : Normally, people who are not on this list and want to go to Cuba from the US use a third party nation. They simply buy a ticket to Nassau, then in Nas
27 MontanaFL : There is plenty of non-American investment in Cuba. But explain why none of that investment is going to help the people of the island? I have several
28 Mariner : XXXX10: "Is it just a fine?" Well, yes - but it is a hefty one. The US government can impose a fine of up to US $50,000 on private citizens who travel
29 Peteinmiami : Sorry MontanaFL, but the largest concentration of population of Cuban origin in the US after Miami are in the New Jersey State just outside NY and in
30 UAL747DEN : I also agree that as soon as Castro is gone travel to Cuba will be huge. It will not be right away, it will be after Cuba asks America for help and we
31 Aa777jr : HAV will be bigger than SXM NAN etc
32 Alessandro : I think Raol Castro will take over when Fidel dies...
33 AlitaliaMD11 : TACAA320 they should be working now, they are workin on my comp. If they dont work it is a photo of: DL 738 in HAV JL 744 and World DC-10 at JFK AOM A
34 MontanaFL : PETEINMIAMI - Thanks for that info. I never thought of the NJ/NY area and Cuban population. Los Angeles? Alessandro - have heard the same, but with th
35 Aa777jr : Someone said with all the trade agreements the U.S. isn't suppose to have direct flights into HAV...is that true? Would you have to go say...IAH-MEX-H
36 Mariner : Aa777jr: No. Read reply #1. It wouldn't matter if the flight was through a third country - no US airline is allowed to fly scheduled service between t
37 Aa777jr : So what carriers fly into HAV on a regular basis from say ATL or MIA. It's close enough and definitely gorgeous enough to visit,,,looking for a cheap
38 Mariner : As777jr: Um - see reply #28. I don't think they have ever actually imposed such a big fine, but see the second link in reply #4 for problems coming ba
39 Aa777jr : Wow...I don't know if I wanna risk going then with all those things that could happen. The last thing I want to happen is for me to try and come back
40 Miguel0881 : I flew MIA-HAV on Falcon Air in 2000 (I had a State Dept. license, obviously). Only a 35 minute flight. Although the Cubans don't stamp your passport
41 Aa777jr : Miguel0881, I wouldn't wanna take that risk, since I wouldn't have approval from the State Dept, unless I made something up. AA777jr
42 Aa767400 : Peteinmiami, Cuba has no ethnic differences? That is far fetched. Cuba has a large Afro-Cuban population, as well as White, and people of mixed decent
43 Peteinmiami : Those are race differences but we are all Cubans, we all speak the same languages, we all have the same history, different backgrounds, different race
44 Aa767400 : Peteinmiami, I agree that it is not like Starlionblue said. Cuba has a much more different history then the former.
45 Peteinmiami : Aa767400, I am glad we are both talking in the same frequency now!!! Regards, Pete
46 Aa777jr : In regards to the trade embargo, what if I go down to HAV in the next 5 yrs...what are the odds I won't be able to come home with some cigars? AA777jr
47 TACAA320 : Sorry AlitaliaMD11, I tried three different computers and see nothing (reply 12).
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