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Am I On A List? IN Flight Pics Part II  
User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 2 months 18 hours ago) and read 6318 times:

This is a follow up to my original post about taking this pic on my return flight from DEN to LGA on UAL.


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Photo © Nicholas A Vollaro





After I snapped that one and some other pics I was asked by the purser for my ID. Which she took and brought back.

My question is am I on some sort of list? Whether Government or otherwise?

Not that I care if I am looked into or whatever but I am curious..

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User currently offlineJAXpax From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 18 hours ago) and read 6281 times:

Well... taking a picture in flight of the cockpit door through a cabin where you aren't seated on a 757 on a longer range domestic flight near the 9/11 anniversary....

Who in their right rational mind could POSSIBLY think something even the slightest bit suspcious about that?


User currently offlineBIGBlack From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 600 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 18 hours ago) and read 6254 times:

What the hell is a picture going to tell a terrorist? Is it going to help them map a path to the cockpit?

I can see the terrorists now studying the photograph.

"hummm let's see, the cock put is straight ahead. Okay, now we got it. Head for the front of the plane."



Someone special in the air
User currently offlineWGW2707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1197 posts, RR: 34
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 16 hours ago) and read 6150 times:

You do have to agree though, taking a pic of the cockpit door just prior to 9/11 is rather suspicious-you're lucky the purser didn't have you arrested...

I certainly would have been suspicious, and I am very pro-photographer. The whole situation though surrounding the photo you took though I'd describe as "strange", strange enough to bother me if I was a flight attendant and hopefully strange enough to bother any competent airline worker. Not that this should be taken in offense, as your motives were clearly harmless, but a check was needed to verify that in these unusual circumstances.

Good to see that the UAL flight attendants are keeping a watchful eye out in terms of security.

-WGW2707


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 16 hours ago) and read 6119 times:

Good to see that the UAL flight attendants are keeping a watchful eye out in terms of security.

Good to see the PATRIOT act doing it's job  Yeah sure


User currently offlineLnglive1011yyz From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 1608 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 16 hours ago) and read 6086 times:

Over-panic.

Just like everything else.

Pretty soon, you won't be ABLE to take pictures of or near an airplane.

Give it time.

1011yyz.



Pack your bags, we're going on a sympathy trip!
User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4120 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 15 hours ago) and read 6051 times:

Usually, if you ask the flight attendant before the flight (or during) if you can take some pics, they'll say yes. They just like to know to avoid suspicion. So, next time, just ask when you get on the plane. If they say no, oh well. It's not like there's a lack of UA cabin photos on a.net.  Big grin

User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6204 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 12 hours ago) and read 5931 times:

You do have to agree though, taking a pic of the cockpit door just prior to 9/11 is rather suspicious-you're lucky the purser didn't have you arrested...

Arrested for what? Was a crime committed here?



Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
User currently offlineSdkualeb From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 7 hours ago) and read 5838 times:

Was a crime committed here

A crime of stupidy, there people lost coworkers, friends, and work every day with this in the back of there mind. They have every right to have concern. Weather you approve it or not.


User currently offlineBwc1976 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 194 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 7 hours ago) and read 5801 times:

Looks to me like the picture was taken using flash, which I would not recommend if you don't want to get people's attention. Use a faster film and available light and you'll have a better chance of not being noticed in the future.

User currently offline4Left From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 81 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 4 hours ago) and read 5728 times:

Hey, I applaud the FC for asking questions. I was on an international US Airways flight and a pax rushed to the front of the plane and bounced off the cockpit door, surprising the hell out of the FA who was enjoying a break in the galley. Before you could say "huh" the FA had spun the pax around and had him face first against the lav door. He was politely asking if he could "assist" the pax. Turned out the pax had Montezuma's two-step and the aft lav was occupied. The pax was allowed to use the loo. Good thing too, would been a drag to sit in First Class with a dirty diaper stink...




Planes aren't busses, put service back into the air!
User currently offlinePlanespotterx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 4 hours ago) and read 5689 times:

You cant do anything nowadays without some "goody-goody" person thinking their a hero and making a scene just because you do something you love.

User currently offlineAeronuts From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 3 hours ago) and read 5656 times:

Read the original post, she took the ID and gave it back, there were no harassment involved, or a FA trying to be "goody-goody". Matter of fact, if I was sitting next to the person, I would wonder also. Taking photo of the cockpit door these days are just asking for trouble.

BIGBlack, yes, terrorist can study the construction of the door, where the reincofcements, etc... ever heard of the word "reconnaissance". Never discount or underestimate your enemy.



User currently offlineJAXpax From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 3 hours ago) and read 5621 times:

yes, terrorist can study the construction of the door, where the reincofcements, etc... ever heard of the word "reconnaissance"

I'd wonder: This person is taking a photo of the cockpit door and is caught. What else have they been taking a picture of?

I just see the replies: "Well, I'd just show them the images on my digital camera that I took."
So easy to swap out the memory cards on digital cameras.....


User currently offlineAeronuts From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 3 hours ago) and read 5612 times:

And the answer from the FA, "can you please delete the photo"

User currently offlineJAXpax From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 3 hours ago) and read 5590 times:

And the answer from the FA, "can you please delete the photo"

And then the passenger's answer: "Sure." and just ignore the other photo card or other photos in the camera.


User currently offlineVoodoo From Niue, joined Mar 2001, 2097 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 2 hours ago) and read 5255 times:

 Smile
This topic reminds me: where can you get those lens attachments... I think I saw them advertised in magazines somewhere, that let you photo at 90 degrees to where people think you are aiming your camera?



` Yeaah! Baade 152! Trabi of the Sky! '
User currently offlineSfo777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 1 hour ago) and read 4865 times:

I think it depends on the crew- I recently flew UAL from FRA-SFO and there were lots of folks taking pictures, especially when we flew over some great iceberg fields around Greenland and then over the Bay Area as we landed. No one had a problem with this, including the crew.

User currently offlineTakeOff From United States of America, joined May 2004, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 1 hour ago) and read 4791 times:

Bravo to the UA flight attendant. Better safe than sorry.

User currently offlineJAXpax From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months ago) and read 4777 times:

I think it depends on the crew- I recently flew UAL from FRA-SFO and there were lots of folks taking pictures, especially when we flew over some great iceberg fields around Greenland and then over the Bay Area as we landed. No one had a problem with this, including the crew.

Just about any airline lets you take pictures out the window, or of events on board like a birthday, honeymoon, anniversary, etc. Most people on airliners.net aren't doing this. They're trying to take pictures of galleys, aisles, cockpit doors, cabin doors, etc. There is certainly a difference. I've read in at least American's operations manual where personal event photos are allowed, but taking photos of AA equipment, personnel, or procedures is prohibited.


User currently offlineAeronuts From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months ago) and read 4662 times:

JAXpax, thanks for proving my point, taking photos of equipment is prohibited, and not very smart thing to do since 9/11. And if the person is taking pictures of the equipments (i.e doors) and wanted to hide them, it is prudent for the FA to be suspicious.

It nice to see cabin view, and layout of a particular airline configurations, but it's not a god given right to take photos of doors and exit way. Sometime, all you have to do is ask. Worst can happen is "no", and move on with life...


User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6204 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3992 times:

A crime of stupidy, there people lost coworkers, friends, and work every day with this in the back of there mind. They have every right to have concern. Weather you approve it or not.

Unfortunately, you can't arrest someone for being stupid unless an actual law was broken.


JAXpax, thanks for proving my point, taking photos of equipment is prohibited, and not very smart thing to do since 9/11. And if the person is taking pictures of the equipments (i.e doors) and wanted to hide them, it is prudent for the FA to be suspicious.

It nice to see cabin view, and layout of a particular airline configurations, but it's not a god given right to take photos of doors and exit way. Sometime, all you have to do is ask. Worst can happen is "no", and move on with life...


If taking photos of airplane cabins, so they get leaked to the internet and possibly to terrorists, is such a dangerous thing to do, then why would an F/A's permission suddenly make it OK?



Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
User currently offlineAeronuts From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3919 times:

Never said it was OK.. comment was just ask.

User currently offlineTrickijedi From United States of America, joined May 2001, 3266 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3792 times:

I have had two similar incidents happen to me. First was on a UA flight from SFO-ORD... FA asked for my info which I gladly gave.. nothing ever came about thereafter.

Second incident while spotting outside O'Hare... was stopped by security and once again asked for my info and again gladly gave it to them along with answering a bunch of questions about what I was doing there that night. Nothin came about thereafter as well.

I'm not sure where exactly they store or what they do with this info. I'm guessing that if you come up suspiscious on another (perhapes unrelated) charge, the authorities can use the previously given info to come up with some kind of history or pattern.



Its better to be on the ground wishing you were in the air than be in the air wishing you were on the ground. Fly safe!
User currently offlineJAXpax From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3732 times:


If taking photos of airplane cabins, so they get leaked to the internet and possibly to terrorists, is such a dangerous thing to do, then why would an F/A's permission suddenly make it OK?


Permission by the flight attendant so they know what is being photographed is better than somebody sneaking about in a dark cabin attempting to take a quick photo without anybody looking.

I venture to say that on some carriers by allowing such photos, the flight attendants themselves are violating policies, but that is their problem and not the passenger's.

Asking permission removes the suspicion on the photographer and causes less of a scene/trouble.


25 Jcs17 : I've read in at least American's operations manual where personal event photos are allowed, but taking photos of AA equipment, personnel, or procedure
26 Post contains images NceBoy : JAX Pax The real question is which terrorist is gonna hijack an UAL B757 near the 9/11 anniversary... NIKV9 Yes, you might be on a list, be this is fo
27 FriendlySkies : Second incident while spotting outside O'Hare... was stopped by security and once again asked for my info and again gladly gave it to them along with
28 Post contains images NonRevKing : Thanks for the laugh Skibum! B
29 Jhooper : Asking permission removes the suspicion on the photographer and causes less of a scene/trouble. Maybe so, maybe it does remove the fear. But it doesn'
30 Post contains images NIKV69 : Thanks for all the feedback! The UA FA treated me so well! Are there any experts out there? I won't be put on that same list as Cat Stevens will I??
31 Hz747300 : You cant do anything nowadays without some "goody-goody" person thinking their a hero and making a scene just because you do something you love. I kno
32 Sdkualeb : Unfortunately, you can't arrest someone for being stupid unless an actual law was broken. Jhooper Please tell me you are kidding.
33 Post contains images Jhooper : Please tell me you are kidding. Really, if you arrested everyone for being stupid, almost all of us would be in jail! In this country, you can't be ar
34 YVRtoYYZ : What I don't understand is why the FA's are asking for ID, name, etc. when they have all that info. readily available to them with their pax list. The
35 NIKV69 : I asked myself the same question. Who knows. I don't mind. I have nothing to hide. I just like taking pictures of airplanes. I just hope they don't tr
36 FlyboyOz : According to the airlines, the cabin crews MUST write report what they saw in the cabin. I saw cabin crews writing their reports in the gallery about
37 Flybynight : Arrested would be totally overboard. Like someone mentioned, you can't be arrested for not committing a crime! Speaking of which, can the purses even
38 NIKV69 : I know! I try to get a flight deck pic either in flight or before departure and I get nowhere! How do those pax do it? There are some awesome flight d
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