FFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 732 posts, RR: 0 Posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2333 times:
Last February, a very big arms shipment of AK-47's and ammunition was found in Helsinki during the cargo transfer. This whole issue became public only now on 9/24. The AY communications wanted to keep to security breach secrect, but in the end didn't succeed. The weapons arrived to Helsinki, Finland on a Finnair flight with a transfer to a Far East AY destination. As an internal department of the the Finnish government, Finnair is responsible for its own security at all of the airports it is operating. Therefore the responsibility of the breach is considered to be only on AY.
So, why was this kept in complete secrecy? For the samreason why the other AY mishaps are kept secret as well. There was a AY MD-11 "smoke in cabin" emergency diversion on Thursday, and there were no press info from AY. This being a MD-11 with a dark history of "smoke-in-the-cabin". Finnair starts to resemble a kind of governmental department, that "never makes mistakes" - and never tells you about those.
Joni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2150 times:
At least I heard of the "smoke in cabin" incident from the press, so ostensibly there was information.
I don't know what you mean by "internal government department", but Finnair is a publicly traded company listed on the HEX stock exchange.
I also noted there was a delay between the arms haul and the fact being made public. I surmised that the affair was kept under wraps for some time to allow the police to better conduct investigations, as is often done.
FinnWings From Finland, joined Oct 2003, 640 posts, RR: 2 Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1803 times:
Sorry, but you have missed the point here. Firstly, I fail to see where was the security breach you mentioned? All airlines carry guns and ammos as a freight on board, so this was just a normal cargo shipment from Amsterdam to Singapore via Helsinki. However, someone forgot to announce to the Finnish customs of this shipment as they should and therefore it was an illegal transfer which is investigated.
As an internal department of the the Finnish government, Finnair is responsible for its own security at all of the airports it is operating. Therefore the responsibility of the breach is considered to be only on AY.
Thanks of the good laugh! Finnair is publicly traded company and not an internal department of the Finnish government. The government holds only half of the AY stocks. Finnair is NOT responsible of the security at the airports like not other airlines in the Europe either.
There was a AY MD-11 "smoke in cabin" emergency diversion on Thursday, and there were no press info from AY.
There was a press release, like Killjoy stated above. There was also a press release on their internet site immediately after diverting. AY is known of very open minded press policy, meaning that they always make a press release even of the smallest incidents or other abnormal activities.
Next time before you make such a conclusions, please check the facts, thank you.
FinnWings From Finland, joined Oct 2003, 640 posts, RR: 2 Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1498 times:
I don't suppose that press releases are 100% reliable sources of information. I'm quite familiar with marketing and accountant practises so I really understand the actual meaning of quarter results or press releases and what "hidden messages" might be involved in those.
However, your comment about journalists could be argued as well. It would be naive to believe that media is "neutral" and stating only facts. Every newspaper or news channel has their own views and are more or less dependant of the political side which they unofficially represents. We still have some quite reliable news sources which are close to neutral (like BBC in your country) but a lot of the media nowadays is more or less inaccurate. Just look like a Fox news channel in the US for example, it is more like a propaganda channel of the Republicans than independent news channel.
When I said that AY has open-minded press policy I said it because I know that is true. I personally have so many different sources in the company and industry that I would most likely know if they were cheating. There is a lot of airlines who will not make press releases of negative things (like incidents) and that is only a sign of poor culture in the company, but luckliy AY isn't one of those. Some LCCs falls in this category, which isn't a surprise.
The Ticketor From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 434 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1303 times:
FFlyer is a known "AY-basher", but this posting is even below FFliar's standards. "Internal department of the Finnish government" (that's a good one!), "Finnair is responsible (...) for security at all airports it is operating", "no press info from AY".
FFlyer shows his ignorance here, he (or she) obviously does not know much about how airlines in general perform their operations, and clearly even less about Finnair.