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Boarding And Exiting The A380  
User currently offlineGearup From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 578 posts, RR: 1
Posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3049 times:

Does anyone know if there are plans to use upper and lower jetways to load the A380 at any airport. It is not too big a deal with the 747 as there are not many seats on the upper level, the internal stairs are used but what about the A380 full length, wide body upper level? Would it not be better to load it separately? I can see congestion and confusion around the internal stairs if the aircraft is loaded through one door only. Another thing, in the event of an evacuation, if the aircraft is still upright and sitting on the gear normally, it's going to look a bit intimidating when it comes to jumping onto the escape slide, will not passengers be tempted to go downstairs first causing more confusion? I have stood at the upper deck door of a 747 while it was open in a hanger and it's a loooong way down!

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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17040 posts, RR: 66
Reply 1, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2976 times:

Does anyone know if there are plans to use upper and lower jetways to load the A380 at any airport.
There are indeed plans to do this. Can't remember at which airports though.



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User currently offlineNW7E7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 534 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2974 times:

Would current jetways be capable of going "up" to the upper deck doors? Most likely not. It would be a pretty steep hike up that jetway though! Either way it is going to take "FOREVER!" to deplane and enplane an A380.

User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17040 posts, RR: 66
Reply 3, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2939 times:

Would current jetways be capable of going "up" to the upper deck doors? Most likely not. It would be a pretty steep hike up that jetway though! Either way it is going to take "FOREVER!" to deplane and enplane an A380

With two jetways the time is quite acceptable.



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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7410 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2927 times:
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It would be a pretty steep hike up that jetway though

If some thing like a 2nd level jetway was to come about, it would probably be from a building that had upper level adjacent to the upper deck.



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User currently offlineFoxiboy From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 208 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2916 times:

LHR's T5 is being designed with the A380 in mind and will have airbridges to board unload pax using both lower and upper deck doors.

User currently offlineAnsettB727 From Australia, joined Mar 2004, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2697 times:

At least I now know what the opposite of "deplane" is. We don't use that word in Australian English! "Exit" or "alight" works just fine for us!

User currently offlineVSXA380X800 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2652 times:

Would current jetways be capable of going "up" to the upper deck doors?Most likely not

Of coarse it will and It depends on how the airports correctly modify the jetways I guess.

It would be a pretty steep hike up that jetway though! Either way it is going to take "FOREVER!" to deplane and enplane an A380

Airbus had to build the A380 to be evacuated under 90 seconds. If they didn't, they would have to go back to square one(Which they haven't) to either make more exits or use a new technique for the evacuation. If it was going to take for ever to deplane the A380 they would be facing FAA problems therefore going back to square one, Which they haven't  Smile



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12170 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2647 times:
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Each airport that will have an A380 service will have two air bridges. One for the bottom passengers and one for the upper passengers. AKL is having two gates built, in the terminal extension which will begin soon, to handle the A380.

User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25269 posts, RR: 85
Reply 9, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2645 times:
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AnsettB727:

"We don't use that word in Australian English..."

I wouldn't be so sure about that. There was a time when Qantas used both "deplane" and "enplane".

They also used "embark" but instead of disembark they used "debark". Yikes.

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User currently offlineEddieho From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 229 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2592 times:

I prefer the word "disembark"

User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2552 times:

Airbus had to build the A380 to be evacuated under 90 seconds.

This comment reflects the usual wishful thinking associated with the A380 "fan club"...don't worry, the designers and engineers have anticipated everything and got it all covered. Alfred E. Newman always says: "What, me worry?"

Passengers "evacuating" an aircraft don't leave with one carry-on, one personal item (often as large as, or almost as large as the carry-on), and other miscellaneous items going down stairways.

There's no doubt that the A380 will cause major problems and dislocations in terms of passenger traffic flow at the various airports it serves at EIS, just as the 747 did. It will take decades for airports to optimize the passenger traffic flow with multi-level gate areas with escalators, etc. Until then, passengers seated on the upper level of the A380 can look forward to walking up and down stairs either on the aircraft itself, or in gate areas jerry-rigged with jetways to serve the upper level.

A small price to pay considering the onboard swimming pools and bowling alleys the anticipated herds of passengers can look forward to.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineOftwftwoab From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day ago) and read 2484 times:

"There's no doubt that the A380 will cause major problems and dislocations in terms of passenger traffic flow at the various airports it serves at EIS, just as the 747 did."

And the A380 will cause the airports to solve the problems 'just as the 747 did'. And who knows, doing so might improve matters for passengers of smaller jets!

The A380 is a smaller jump in size over the 747 than the 747 was over its contemporaries. The problem is mainly one of degree. The obvious answer is to consider the upper and lower deck passengers separately - with two floor terminals - and then you basically have the same problem as two aircraft arriving simultaneously.

Whatever happened to the 'can-do' spirit?


User currently offlineTrickijedi From United States of America, joined May 2001, 3266 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (9 years 12 months 23 hours ago) and read 2463 times:

Deplaning on the A380 would not seem to be a problem. However, I can envision its boarding process to be a logistical nightmare... with the seperation of status and non-status passengers (including pre-boarding F and C passengers), passengers with children, disabled flyers as well as the proverbial late-comers.

All I can say is good luck to the gate agents working those flights.



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User currently offlineIDAWA From Italy, joined Aug 2004, 303 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 12 months 11 hours ago) and read 2291 times:

If there will be double airbridges, passengers might be boarded from two different gates one above the other, in two different floors of the terminal, according to the deck they are scheduled to fly. It should be nothing different than boarding two 767s simultaneously! Of course, I have no idea about how these airbridges will work, this is just my own opinion!

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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17040 posts, RR: 66
Reply 15, posted (9 years 12 months 10 hours ago) and read 2265 times:

Don't you think they've figured it all out and sorted it with the operators and airports? These things were solved years ago.

There will be glitches in the beginning, but the problem is not really insurmountable. Quite easy to simulate and model.



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User currently offlineVSXA380X800 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2108 times:

This comment reflects the usual wishful thinking associated with the A380 "fan club"...don't worry, the designers and engineers have anticipated everything and got it all covered.

???????????????????????????????????????????????????????/- I have no clue what you're talking about. ....Fanclub? And yes they have it all covered  Smile



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User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26499 posts, RR: 75
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2008 times:

Well, where will they put them at LAX?

<AKL is having two gates built, in the terminal extension which will begin soon, to handle the A380.>>



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