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User currently offlineStudentFlyer From Australia, joined Sep 2004, 688 posts, RR: 3
Posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8421 times:

Has anyone heard of the Airbus A350 project? I thought it would be, according to an article I read in Flight International, to be a direct comparison to the Boeing Dreamliner. Has anyone got any further infos on this project?
Also, is it true that they are going to have this aircraft flown before the 7E7?

I hope I haven't started a new topic that has been asked in the forum.

Thanks in advance,
AK

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User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8202 times:

From what I have read in other posts onh here - it is a variation to the A330 project - once named the A330 Lite.

From what more informed posters have said its gonna be quite a rival to Boeings 787 (ne 7E7) and is already worrying them some!

7LBAC111



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User currently offlineStudentFlyer From Australia, joined Sep 2004, 688 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8170 times:

Will the A350 have the similar concept of Bleedles fans as they have in the 787s? or are they just continuing on from the A330 project? Wouldn't it be a totally new Airbus type?

User currently offlineRuscoe From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1541 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8148 times:

Heresay is that the 350 is based on the 333 not the 332. If this is correct then it is more a 777 competitior without the grunt, than a 7e7 competitior. Airbus will need the capacity of the 333 to get comparable seat mile costs to the 7e7, but of course trip costs will be greater.
Personally I don't think the 350 will be a good competitor in either segment.

As has been said many times in this forum, the best bet for Airbus is to sell the existing 330 cheap, and if NWA is any indication they can.

Airbus will develop the necessary technology to catch up with Boeings composite competency, when they have finished developing the A400 which will incorporate many of the technologies of the 7e7.

Then they can develop a new aircraft to really compete with the 7e7.


Ruscoe


User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8139 times:

I'm sensing an A vs B thread here....!


Debate is what you put on de hook when you want to catch de fish.
User currently offlineVSXA380X800 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7795 times:

Will the A350 have the similar concept of Bleedles fans as they have in the 787s?
It should if Airbus wants the A330L (A350) to be a direct competitor therefore matching close stats.


"or are they just continuing on from the A330 project?"
I'm guessing it will because they didn't start from with a completely new design in anyway.

"Wouldn't it be a totally new Airbus type?

All Airbus is doing to save the Euros is to make new wings and use a completely new type of engine, which I assume will match up to the Trent 1000's.





4 decks 4 engines 4 long haul
User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16991 posts, RR: 67
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7685 times:

All Airbus is doing to save the Euros is to make new wings and use a completely new type of engine, which I assume will match up to the Trent 1000's.

Since the wing and the engines are by far the most expensive components to develop, I don't think you can really say they are saving money.

[Edited 2004-09-26 18:03:52]


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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7607 times:

It should if Airbus wants the A330L (A350) to be a direct competitor therefore matching close stats.

It most likely will not, but as has been mentioned many hundreds of times, bleedless engines are not what makes the 7E7 shiny.

All Airbus is doing to save the Euros is to make new wings and use a completely new type of engine, which I assume will match up to the Trent 1000's.

There is little chance that this is all they will do.

N


User currently offlineVSXA380X800 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5594 times:

Since the wing and the engines are by far the most expensive components to develop.

I don't think you understood what im tring to say. Read what I said a few times before you respond, Just a friendly suggestion  Smile


There is little chance that this is all they will do.
So what will Airbus do to modify The A330, Gigneil?



4 decks 4 engines 4 long haul
User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16991 posts, RR: 67
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5452 times:

Since the wing and the engines are by far the most expensive components to develop.

I don't think you understood what im tring to say. Read what I said a few times before you respond, Just a friendly suggestion


Yes I get it. Sorry about that. But you must admit it was vaguely ambiguous  Big grin



"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently offlineStudentFlyer From Australia, joined Sep 2004, 688 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4934 times:

Well, it seems to me that Airbus is just trying to beat Boeing in terms of 'First Flight', with Boeing developing a completely new design from scratch, with all new composite and bleedless engine technology, whereas Airbus is just trying to beat it using the technologies already available.

Let's just wait and see if we are actually going to have a new Airbus variant. It would be interesting how people see on this.

Thanks to everyone who have contributed to my question.

Regards,
AK


User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4174 times:

I hope airbus doesn't go through with it any time soon, seems like a waste of money to compete with a plane that is actually competing with another one of their own. That is like if Boeing decided to go against A380, which is going againsy the 747, now.

Better later, Im sure we'll see an A350/A360/A370/A390/797 etc. I just have no clue as to what mission statement they can have.



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User currently offlineNW7E7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 533 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4051 times:

Ahhhhh! 7E7 not 787! 787 just sounds plain stupid to me. Eventually, if the name sticks, we will have a 7A7(Advanced), 7J7(Jumbo), 7C7(Cargo).......

NW7E7


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4028 times:

So what will Airbus do to modify The A330, Gigneil?

While most of the fuselage will likely remain aluminum, they will probably update major structural components with weight saving composites, including the wingbox.

I would expect all new systems, a new wing, new engines, and of course a cockpit that matches the A380's.

They could always surprise everyone with more composite panels in the construction of the fuse.

Of course, there is just as much evidence that they'll go with a $8b completely new type as the $2b update to the 330.

N


User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3973 times:

Ah you're just uncomfortable cuz you choose the wrong member name. Big grin

It's shoud have been, NW782



The meaning of life is curiosity; we were put on this planet to explore opportunities.
User currently offlineStudentFlyer From Australia, joined Sep 2004, 688 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 22 hours ago) and read 2899 times:

Gigneil,

Maybe Airbus is trying to steal the bleedless engine design of the Trent 1000s, as this will perhaps be the thing of the future. But I remember reading an article that Airbus denying the use of 90% composite in an aircraft structure.....

And with Boeing, I also wonder what happens when they eventually run out of the 7*7 model designation... are they going to re-use the 707s designation? Or will they try a new designation code?....

Anyways, time will tell on this project.

Regards,
AK


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 16, posted (9 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 2684 times:

Maybe Airbus is trying to steal the bleedless engine design of the Trent 1000s, as this will perhaps be the thing of the future.

I mean its not really stealing... Rolls has told Airbus that the Trent 1000 is the way to go on any future developments.

I agree that bleedless is the way to go, but its not necessary.

But I remember reading an article that Airbus denying the use of 90% composite in an aircraft structure.....

They definitely will not use 90% composites. Even the 7E7 is not 90% composites.

N


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