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User currently offlineCOEWR2587 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 607 posts, RR: 2
Posted (10 years 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2882 times:

Does SQ still fly from EWR & JFK to AMS & FRA? I know they used to, but it seemed like it was on random bases. Plus why would they have this non hub to non hub route?


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User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2005 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2827 times:

They fly JFK-FRA. I guess they do so because they have to land somewhere. JFK-SIN is too long. Apart of that they can sell seats with a LH-codeshare, have full traffic rights (thanks to Star Aliance I guess) and make a lot of conections in Europe.

User currently offlineHz747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1682 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2824 times:
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I thought with the nonstop EWR flight, they dropped the SIN-AMS-EWR flight. They left the JFK/FRA flight because it was profitable.


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User currently offlineCol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2116 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2815 times:

EWR to AMS has been dropped and replaced by the direct flight EWR-SIN. JFK - FRA is to a Star Hub, but I believe the code share between LH and SQ was dropped, guess the pax were upset expecting SQ service, and ending up with LH.

User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4755 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2642 times:

Hmm... as far as I know, the code share is still there as LH9762 (JFK-FRA-SIN). Where did you hear that?


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User currently offlineCol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2116 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2366 times:

Ryanair,

Did it come back, I heard that they dropped the codeshare on FRA to JFK, believe it was in Flight Int.

Col


User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4755 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 days ago) and read 2105 times:

Did it come back? I don't think it ever went away...


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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8451 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2032 times:

I heard something on this forum about it ending once. It had something to do with SQ always offering a lower price then LH on flights which were operated by LH. I think it may have been the FRA-SIN sector that was dropped.

However it may have come back, if it ever went away at all.


User currently offlineEx_SQer From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1436 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1870 times:

I think the codeshare between FRA and JFK was cancelled. IIRC LH actually had two flight numbers on SQ25/26 - one for JFK and one for FRA (don't ask me why). If only one is appearing in the system, then I would think it is gone.

User currently offlineFXmd11 From Thailand, joined Aug 2004, 184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1796 times:

YES, they do ! I am booked on it 23Nov SQ69 BKK-SIN and then on with SQ26 to JFK with a stop in FRA. Back on SQ25. Doing this since over 5 years and got never used to it. A real long flight. Cheers,

User currently offlinePlanemannyc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1008 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1655 times:
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They fly JFK-FRA. I guess they do so because they have to land somewhere. JFK-SIN is too long.

For the Boeing 747-400 used on that route, it would be too long a flight. However, The A340-500 is capable of flying that route non-stop (as demonstrated daily by SQ on SIN-EWR run). I think Singapore Airlines chose EWR because it believes that the non-stop service is preferred by business travelers, and business travelers would prefer EWR because of connections / convenience from EWR.

As far as AMS-JFK route, SQ was filling them in quite well. However, it may have been that the yield was less than FRA-JFK.

Also, I believe that having fairly liberal treaties with both the US and most European states, SQ was able to get 5th Freedom from AMS and FRA. Existing treaties between the Netherlands and Germany with the US also allows for many third country airlines to carry passengers between points in NL / Ger and US with 5th Freedom rights. Thus, SQ's choice of FRA is not necessarily entirely based on Star Alliance tie-up (although it could obviously have some merit) but because of availability of favorable rights. I am quite sure if the Singaporean government could get similar rights from the UK, SQ would make one -- if not more -- dailies on SIN-LHR-JFK run.

My $0.02.

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Wasim / Planemannyc


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