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Lufthansa To MCO?  
User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1930 times:

A while back I remember reading a post cocerning LH's expansion into other markets in the US. MCO was one of the cities being thrown around, and I was curious if anyone on the other side of the pond in Germany has any further info. on LH's future expansion here on my side, specifically those who work for LH.

Just curious...

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User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1888 times:

I don't work for them, but I dont see a lot a new destinations for them. MCO is dominated by leasure travellers, so Condor is the choice but not LH.

And in fact i think LH already serves nearly all major US destinations. If I dream I could think of an return to Phoenix, an replacement for US to Pittsburgh but nothing more. Seattle looks interesting, but it overlaps with Portland and is already served by Sk with an codeshare.
Maybe they can bring some other markets than MUC and FRA direct to the US, but new US destinatiions are rare.


User currently onlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4517 posts, RR: 72
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1826 times:

MCO was on last year's list of cities considered for new service, together with PIT and CLT. CLT got the MUC service, and as far as I hear, this service has been doing well over the summer, and is continuing as a daily operation over the winter.

In another thread here, PIT is again put forward for Lufthansa service, from FRA this time, in replacement of US on the route. The airline is quoted as saying that it has a shortlist of cities considered for new service and PIT is one of them, so I presume that MCO might very well be on that list as well.

I have my doubts though, as to the feasibility of an MCO route for LH, as well as of the feasibility of the entire Florida market. During the peak winter time, Lufthansa will not be returning the daily MUC-MIA flight this year, but will only offer this service thrice weekly. So, I have my doubts that MCO would ever get a service. As stated before, Condor seems to be more appropriate for a Germany-MCO flight. I remember that DL, as part of their FRA hub operated a daily L1011-500 between MCO and FRA but that flight was discontinued when the FRA hub was abolished.

As for Lufthansa, as I have already stated in the thread regarding the PIT flight, I think their priorities as to longhaul expansion are not in North America at this time. Asia is the emerging market with China and Indian front runners for new service as soon as LH can get their hands on some extra rights.



User currently offlineJohnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1661 times:

as much as i second the thoughts concerning other emerging markets for LH and other possible US cities, i would like to remind that a MCO service would not only cater for leisure travelers. close to MCO, there is an important branch office of Siemens (i think, or some other big German company). apparently, there is quite some significant business traffic flow from NUE via other European gateways to MCO. if that was sufficient to make this otherwise very leisure-oriented service sustainable, is another question, though.

rgds
daniel



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1579 times:

Lufthansa will not be returning the daily MUC-MIA flight this year, but will only offer this service thrice weekly.

That has to do with an overall reduction of MUC long-haul services. LAX and SFO will also only operate 3x weekly instead of daily, while JNB has been canceled and BOS will not operate at all this winter.



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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8670 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1536 times:

MAH4546, MUC-BOS is ending? When? I'm not doubting you, just want to know because I'm booked for the last week of October. Besides, I'd swear I heard it would stay for the Winter.

User currently offlineZonks From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1463 times:

Airbazar
Just did a search on Amadeus.net, along with consulting the LH timetable for 01/07/04 through 30/10/04 and it seems like the MUC-BOS flight is ending on the 30th of October.


User currently onlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4517 posts, RR: 72
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1402 times:

That has to do with an overall reduction of MUC long-haul services. LAX and SFO will also only operate 3x weekly instead of daily, while JNB has been canceled and BOS will not operate at all this winter.

I doubt that there's a significant difference between the number of longhauls operated from MUC last winter and the number for the upcoming winter. True, LAX, SFO and MIA have been reduced, BOS is not operating and JNB is canceled altogether, but in comparison to last year there's the addition of a daily CLT, thrice weekly DEL, daily PVG-CAN (started somewhere in the middle of last winter season), thrice weekly THR and, last but not least the transfer of one daily BKK connection from FRA, with continuing service to KUL/SGN.

So, overall, I don't think there's a significant reduction in terms of number of flights and available seats between this year's and last year's winter operation at MUC. I guess the concern is more one of Transatlantic yieds during the winter season.



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