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7E7 Seating Layout: Basic Config  
User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4909 times:

The basic config for the 217 (7E7-8) seat layout is as follows:

3 rows of 2+2+2 First Class at 60 " Pitch
5 rows of 2+3+2 Business Class 40" Pitch
18 rows of 2+4+2 Coach at 32"
2 rows of 2+4+2 Coach at 60" Pitch (L2 and L3 Doors)
1 Row of 4 Center Coach at 32" Pitch

Seat Width:

First: 22-26" (Pending on Aisle Width)
Busniess: 20-24" (Pending on Aisle Width)
Coach: 19" Standard

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User currently offlineKEESJE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4816 times:

- Nobody does 40 inch pitch in Business Class anymore
- 55-60 inch is standard, 6 abreast in 7e7 like aircraft (airbus340/50)
- 75-85 inch is normal in First, probably 5 abreast

I'm talking carriers like BA, LH, AF, KLM, AA, UA, Delta, NWA, CO, JAL, ANA, SQ , MH, EK, SAA etc ...

So what would be a realistic seat capasity of the 7e7-8 ?



User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4456 times:

That is the capacity. 217 pax. Look at the standard config on 767's. The pitch is greater except in first. The biggest gain is the seat width.

In answer to your question on the different pitches. Probably about 180.

[Edited 2004-09-28 16:53:33]

User currently offlineDebonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2396 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4276 times:



http://www.boeing.com/commercial/7e7/flash.html

All informations are based on 2/3-class aircrafts. But I wanna know, what are the MAXIMUM seating capacaty??? As the 7E7-8 is orderd by charter airlines FIRSTchoice and Blue Panorama, I am curious about the max. seating! any suggestions??? also on the max. of 7E7-9 and /-3?? any boeing guys here??

ThanX chriX


User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2598 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4204 times:
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Debonair,
Current planned config for the First Choice Airways 7E7-8 is 272 seats;

63 premium economy (36-37" pitch - 7 abreast)
209 economy (32-33" pitch - 8 abreast)

That is only a small increase against the 258 seat config on the 767-300. In terms of absolute capacity the 7E7-8 should be between the 767-300 and 767-400 at around 340 seats.

Regards
CROSSWIND


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16976 posts, RR: 67
Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4164 times:

5 rows of 2+3+2 Business Class 40" Pitch

At least Airbus can keep nagging about "No middle seat in business class"  Big grin



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User currently offlineRuscoe From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4036 times:

The intersting thing is that the 7e7 can be set up as 9 abreast in coach (with 17' seats I believe). Boeing figures are based upon 8 abreast. This is one of the big attractions for charter operators.

Ruscoe


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16976 posts, RR: 67
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4020 times:

The intersting thing is that the 7e7 can be set up as 9 abreast in coach (with 17' seats I believe). Boeing figures are based upon 8 abreast. This is one of the big attractions for charter operators.

Bleargh! Remind me never to get on one of those  Sad



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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4014 times:

Realistic configurations airlines would specify for long-haul:

3 class :
F : 10 seats 5 abreast at 80 inch
C : 30 seats 6 abreast at 60 inch
M : the rest at 30-32 inch

2 class
C : 36 seats at 60 inch
M : the rest at 30-32 inch

Any info what would be the seating capasity with above seat specifications ?



User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3165 times:

Keesje:

Your three class config is about 180. Between L1 and L2 it's 3 rows at 60" and 5 rows at 40". Between the L2 and L3 and L3 and L4 doors there is room for 10 rows at 34" each section. There is room for a center row of 4 seats at the L3 door with 42' pitch.

The 2 class config would be roughly 240-250.

The 7E7-9 is roughly 320 in a typical two class. Most likely 270-280 in a three class. At this point it's undetermined.

The real kicker. You could configure the bird 2+3+2 business with about 160-170 seats and run it with a lower ASM cost than a 767-300 or A-330.


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 957 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3106 times:

Bleargh! Remind me never to get on one of those

At 3+3+3, the 7E7 seats would be roughly equal to the seats on the 737, 757, A330, A340, and EK's 777s. With decent pitch and IFE, I see no big pain. Or are you avoiding those aircraft as well  Big grin

Any info what would be the seating capasity with above seat specifications

Just take a look at the way current airlines opperate their 763ERs, the two aircraft are almost exactly matched for capacity. No airline opperates an Airbus, Boeing, or anything at the exact seating advertised. Heck.... AA seats 224 in their 777-200ER!


User currently offlineFluorine From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2004, 55 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2568 times:

May I ask you one question:
Where do you get this information?


User currently offlineSevenair From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 1728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2209 times:

Ive never really taken an interestin the 7e7, but ew!!!! Those weired window configuration! ITs a bit like the TU-104-with the line of windown 'raising' at a point, well strange! It seems to be in business class, lets hope steerage isnt like that!

User currently offlineRj111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2112 times:

Just to clear a few things up.

At 3+3+3, the 7E7 seats would be roughly equal to the seats on the 737, 757, A330, A340, and EK's 777s. With decent pitch and IFE, I see no big pain. Or are you avoiding those aircraft as well

assuming 17'

It would be about 1cm narrower than a 757 and 737, about 2cm narrower than a an A330/40 and 3cm narrower than a standard 9 abreast 777.

According to AA anyway.http://www.aa.com/content/aboutUs/ourPlanes/ourPlanes.jhtml?anchorEvent=false


PS, used A300 for the A330/A340.

but the standard 19' width, I could get used to  Big grin.

The real kicker. You could configure the bird 2+3+2 business with about 160-170 seats and run it with a lower ASM cost than a 767-300 or A-330.

That depends entirely on what configuration you assigning the A330/763ER.

Thank god they scrapped that illogical 3-2-3 config though.


User currently offlineHotje From Netherlands, joined Jul 2004, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2048 times:

As I might have stated b4. All customers will put in a very uncomfortable 3-3-3 config in coach. No matter what the marketing yabba tells us.

Except for maybe some Asian airliner that does consider passenger comfort. But so far none of those airlines haven't ordered any.

Seat pitch and width is not a problem with the 7E7, but a general issue for the operators to consider. It's basicly too cramped when taller than 165cm (5'5)


User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1909 times:

As I might have stated b4. All customers will put in a very uncomfortable 3-3-3 config in coach. No matter what the marketing yabba tells us.

Then they will have a weight problem.


User currently offlineKEESJE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1872 times:

As I might have stated b4. All customers will put in a very uncomfortable 3-3-3 config in coach. No matter what the marketing yabba tells us.

So if the flight schedule & food is good & the price 10% lower, guess what passengers will do .. wait for another 10% more expensive flight?


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 957 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1698 times:

Thank god they scrapped that illogical 3-2-3 config though.

They havn't.... an airline can choose between 2+4+2, 3+2+2, 3+3+3, or 2+5+2. The 3+2+3 has actually recieved positive feedback from the surveys Boeing has done, and until you try it yourself, it might be a bit premature to write it off.

Many flyers prefer 3+3+3 in the 777 even though it is statistically "less comfortable" than 2+5+2.

As I might have stated b4. All customers will put in a very uncomfortable 3-3-3 config in coach. No matter what the marketing yabba tells us.

By that logic, all 777 opperators would be following EK's model. And yet, only a small handful of 777 opperators seat 10 abreast. The 7E7 gives airlines the option of seating 9 abreast, lowering seat/mile cost for charter and LCC airlines while increasing the aircraft's flexibility and resale value.

Then they will have a weight problem.

I assume you mean that a 7E7 in high-density configuration would be too heavy? The 7E7 is heavily "over-ranged," with 8,500nm avialable to the base model. The intention of this extra range was to allow airlines to carry lots of underfloor cargo, but this payload can be subsituted for human payload above deck.


User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1609 times:

3+3+3 would totally kill the improved pax experience. There's a reason the 7E7 is 226" wide vs. the 777 231".

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