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CO Rumored To Start Flights To Belfast  
User currently offlineUssherd From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 329 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4537 times:

Local news announced this morning that CO is planning to start flights between Newark and Belfast, Ireland's second largest city. Final details are still being worked out, but rumor has it that CO will make a formal annoncement within the next few weeks. The airline will aim to operate a daily 757 on the route, starting from next spring. However, one of the concerns has been whether the market would sustain a non-stop flight every day right through the slackest period of mid-winter. If the route were to start, CO would benefit from development aid via the Government's Air Route Development Fund.

CO currently operates a daily flight to DUB, which is two hours (by road) to the south of Belfast. In September 2001, Aer Lingus dropped the Belfast/Shannon leg of its New York service from Belfast International Airport.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/3695516.stm
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/business/story.jsp?story=566638




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User currently offlineAs739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6200 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4506 times:

I'm starting to think every nook and cranny in Europe that can handle a 757 is CO's watch list. Thats why they are my second favorite airline!

ASSFO



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User currently offlineCospn From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4414 times:

Anyone know more about the Route Development Fund ??

SOunds Interesting...SO Glad CO is Locked out of LHR there are many places to fly in the UK/Ireland to EWR


User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4398 times:

>>Local news announced this morning that CO is planning to start flights between Newark and Belfast, Ireland's second largest city.<<


Belfast isn't in Ireland... it's in the UK.

 Big grin



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User currently offlineN863DA From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 48 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4349 times:

Thank You, TWFirst, for getting there first  Smile, but Belfast isn't in Ireland (Eire) - it's in Northern Ireland, which is part of the UK.

By the same token, comparing Belfast to the distance from DUB is moot, since they're in different countries with some of the tightest border control, anywhere.

It would be more appropriate, perhaps, to compare Belfast with its nearest mainland competitor, probably Manchester.

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User currently offlineBoeingBus From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1597 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4332 times:

Does CO have enough ETOPS/International enabled 757-200 to support all these flights? I dont think so.. unless they pull them from other destinations and replace those with 767...


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User currently offlineUssherd From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 329 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4317 times:

Belfast isn't in Ireland... it's in the UK

Perhaps I should have said "Belfast is the second largest city on the island of Ireland."

By the same token, comparing Belfast to the distance from DUB is moot, since they're in different countries with some of the tightest border control, anywhere

Border control between N. Ireland and the Republic of Ireland is non-existent. Many people living in and around Belfast (myself included) prefer to drive down to Dublin rather than flying Belfast-London-Wherever. The company I work for (a N. Ireland based firm) has an agreement with EI for all of our trans-Atlantic travel (mostly DUB-JFK), but would consider switching to CO if they started flying out of Belfast.




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User currently offlineKlmyank From Netherlands, joined May 2004, 172 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4239 times:

What border control? Go to LHR terminal one, Eire departs from the domestic side....

User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5604 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4183 times:

Cospn, here is a briefing paper on the Route Development Fund for Northern Ireland. There is also a similar fund for Scotland, which underwrote the startup of CO's Edinburgh route.

http://www.nics.gov.uk/press/eti/030904b-eti.htm

The summary seems to indicate that the routes are to be European, but that is not a strict limit.



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User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6372 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4143 times:

This does not surprise me at all. Actually, I'm surprised it didn't come before, say, Bristol. I really hope this happens for Belfast, after years of being "feared" by many Americans, they are definitely becoming a touristy spot, and I'd love to get there some time soon. Perhaps next summer! Good luck Northern Ireland!

User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5604 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4088 times:

Regarding the availability of aircraft, I believe all 41 of CO's 757-200s are ETOPS. So far CO has said that only 11 of the 41 will receive winglets - but that number could grow easily.


I love long German words like 'Freundschaftsbezeigungen'.
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4074 times:

I believe all 41 of CO's 757-200s are ETOPS.

Correct.


User currently offlineRamerinianair From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4052 times:

Are the 41 ETOPS certified 752s the international configed ones?
Thanks,
SR



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User currently offlineRamerinianair From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4044 times:

Stupid question!!!
I know there are only 41 752s in COs fleet!
SR



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User currently offlineMatthewroy From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 101 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4034 times:

I would love to see this happen. CO is my second favorite airline, too.

I have to put in my opinion on "border control" as well. If you're in a car, there is absolutely nothing to stop for when you go from the Republic of Ireland into Northern Ireland (U.K.) or vice versa. The main road between Dublin and Belfast doesn't even have a sign that tells you when you've crossed the border. The only way to tell is that the pavement color changes slightly and the prices for gas (petrol) are listed in pounds or euros.



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User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2692 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4003 times:

Are the 41 ETOPS certified 752s the international configed ones?

I believe that 16 of CO's 752s are internationally configured, although that can be quickly and easily changed by taking out the domestic F seats and replacing them with J seats. I believe it only takes a few days to do the swap. CO has more than enough 737s to cover for any 752s that would be leaving the domestic market.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16909 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3929 times:

As mentioned in a previous thread, there are reliable rumors that CO is launching 6 new trans-Atlantic destinations in '05.

Bristol is confirmed, and Belfast and Lagos are in the pre-announcment stages.

That leaves 3 more..



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User currently offlineA340Spotter From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1983 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3891 times:

As for the amount of 757s that are ETOPS qualified, all 41 are.
However, there are 2 or 3 (can't remember the current status) that aren't certified for European operations at this time.

Jeffrey



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User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2692 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3882 times:

That leaves 3 more..

I think CALMSP mentioned just 6 new international destinations, not necessarily Transatlantic ones. I believe he mentioned that Huatalaco, Mexico was one of the new destinations.

Come on, CALMSP. You're holding out on us. I'm sure you know something about CO's next new international destinations.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16909 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3768 times:

" think CALMSP mentioned just 6 new international destinations"

I did not get my information from CALMSP, 6 new trans- Atlantic destinations. Not Mexico.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineAnt72LBA From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 414 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3766 times:

I've asked this before but didn't get much of a response: how does CO go about choosing its routes; do the airports go begging to it, handing out route development grants, etc. Or do CO approach an airport, or group of airports, and see who offers them the best deal? How does this fit with competition rules? I bet NCL and LBA would love CO to start EWR services and I'm sure could produce the required loads but do they miss out because of some grants that Northern Ireland can produce that Northern England can't?


User currently offlineFlyLondon From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3718 times:

By the same token, comparing Belfast to the distance from DUB is moot, since they're in different countries with some of the tightest border control, anywhere.


Hmmm you might want to look up the Common Travel Area Arrangement which has been in place since the 50s, way before Schengen, which will gove you information about the free movement of British and Irish citizens between and around the two islands.


User currently offlineCOEWR2587 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 607 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3699 times:

Is thier a demand big enough for maybe a 762?


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16909 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3699 times:

"Is thier a demand big enough for maybe a 762?"

In CO's international configuration their 757s and 767-200s have almost the same number of seats, so using a 767-200 would not be an increase in capacity overall.

However it is a big increase in the number of Business First seats, which are geared more for business routes like Geneva.


So the 757 is the right aircraft for a route like EWR-Belfast.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineIahcsr From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3469 posts, RR: 41
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3475 times:
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CO's BisFirst 752 is 16/156, 762 is 25/149. 172 vs 174 seats.


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25 MasseyBrown : I wonder if these CO flights to secondary UK markets are pulling a noticable number of passengers out of LHR or if market growth makes them insignific
26 FLVILLA : WOW so much expansion on CO's international services! Hope they come back to Stansted as there is no US service for the majority of East Anglia. Will
27 BFS : It's a pity for CO that its BFS they shall have to fly to, given that it pretty much only handles LCCs and charters nowadays - although it does that v
28 Ussherd : Will they have the same set up as Dublin immigration wise?? As I know the US does not recognize NI as part of the UK, if your are born in NI you can a
29 Falcon84 : WOW so much expansion on CO's international services! That's just the tip, from the rumors going around CLE. Rumors of 4 new cities in Germany and to
30 7LBAC111 : As I know the US does not recognise NI as part of the UK, if your are born in NI you can apply for the green card lottery even though it is not Irelan
31 Post contains links Marbergi : From RTE.ie http://www.rte.ie/news/2004/1007/northtransport.html Belfast to New York flights to start next May 07 October 2004 09:40 Direct flights be
32 Pe@rson : Great Britain comprises England, Scotland and Wales - but not Northern Ireland. Accordingly, the official title is the 'United Kingdom of Great Britai
33 Geoffm : "I've asked this before but didn't get much of a response: how does CO go about choosing its routes" In the case of Bristol, the management at Bristol
34 David_itl : It will be the first non-stop scheduled service to operate from the North to the United States. I'm sure American Trans Air ran a JFK-BFS-Riga servic
35 Vatry : They did indeed, though technically I think these flights fell under the heading of summer charters.
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