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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33038 posts, RR: 71
Posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3994 times:

American Eagle will launch (relaunch? Did they fly BUF-LGA in the past? I know they used to fly BUF-JFK.) four daily flights between New York City LaGuardia and Buffalo on 1 November 2004. All flights operate with ERJ-135s.

AA 4902 LGA 0930-1045 BUF
AA 4904 LGA 1259-1414 BUF
AA 4908 LGA 1459-1621 BUF
AA 4906 LGA 2035-2150 BUF

AA 4907 BUF 0620-0735 LGA
AA 4903 BUF 1115-1230 LGA
AA 4905 BUF 1444-1559 LGA
AA 4909 BUF 1651-1751 LGA

Definitley trying to steal customers away from US Airways on this route. Also, they are going to try to capture Buffalo-Florida traffic. Since they currently only fly BUF-ORD, they can't really capture much of that. Hopefully they get a lot of BUF-MIA traffic, because that could signal a future for that route to happen in 2006/2007.






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User currently offlineLindy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3966 times:

I think this is not to fight with US Airways but with the newcomer Westjet. Is Westjet flying from Hamilton or from Toronto?

Rafal


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33038 posts, RR: 71
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3934 times:

I think this is not to fight with US Airways but with the newcomer Westjet. Is Westjet flying from Hamilton or from Toronto?


It has nothing to do with WestJet.

US Airways carriers a lot of business traffic on LGA-BUF, and AA wants to take that traffic away. Serious business travelers don't go out of the way and drive from Buffalo to Toronto to fly WestJet. Time is money.



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User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3514 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3885 times:

That's definitely nice surprise  Smile And obviously targeted at business travelers. Florida traffic flows through JFK on JetBlue or through BWI or direct on Southwest. Seems like the game called "Let's finish US Airways" has already started.

Too bad they cancelled their plans for DFW-BUF so still no silver jets of mainline American at BUF.

Daniel


User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3841 times:

US Airways Express flies 10 daily roundtrip flights LGA-BUF, including 6x RJ.


I'm the expert on here on two things, neither of which I care about much anymore.
User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5272 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3727 times:

It would be interesting if AA started MIA-BUF service in the future. AA used to fly that route nearly 15 years ago, using 727s.

User currently offlineAA787 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 610 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3715 times:

This is a very smart route. They can use it for several things.


    To test the demand for NYC-Upstate NY flights
    To go up against B6
    To test the possibility of a MIA-BUF flight


Overall a very good thing for AA,
AA787



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User currently offlineJfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3543 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3669 times:

They flew this route from JFK with Saabs for many many many years.

It didn't work there because of B6 coming in. Much like flights to MCO--they are running them out of LGA instead of JFK with the hopes that they can still make money in the NY market to these select cities.

But look at Concouse A in the CTB--here comes JetBlue!

PJ


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16883 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3663 times:

"To test the demand for NYC-Upstate NY flights"

As mentioned AA/Eagle flew from JFK to Buffalo as well as Rochester, Syracuse and Albany for many years.



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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3563 times:

BTW, is American ever going to link up Concourses C+D at the Central Terminal Building at LGA, so they can have Eagle-to-mainline connections? If I am not mistaken, most Eagle flights leave out of Concourse C, and most mainline flights leave out of Concourse D...needless to say, it doesn't make a heck of a lot of sense for an AA passenger going from, say, BUF to PBI to connect at LGA, and reclear security, by which time they will likely miss their connection due to long security lines (and the security lines at LGA can be absolutely insane)

[Edited 2004-09-29 07:20:20]


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User currently offlineMilesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2006 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3535 times:

BUF-LGA with an ERJ-135. New? AA used to fly from LGA to BUF, ROC, SYR, ALB, first with CV-240's (40 passenger), then DC-6's (56 passenger); then L-188 Electras (72 passenger); then BAC-111 and 727's (75-96 passengers). Then AA decided they no longer wanted to serve these routes. ALB was first to go and then the other three. As Yogi Berra says, "It's Deja Vu, all over again." Perhaps AA has learned that there is money in their "roots" as well as their "routes". Could UA return to LGA-CLE, not as long as CO has a hub there.

User currently offlineAacun From Mexico, joined Jan 2004, 547 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3517 times:
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Ckfred,

As far as I know AA never flew BUF-MIA


User currently offlineBigphilnyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4077 posts, RR: 54
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3503 times:

Since the BUF-NYC route is that of a business traveller, it's better that the route be flown from LGA (instead of JFK with B6), the businessman's airport, much easier to get to from Manhattan.

If AA does decent on this route, perhaps B6 will test the route on their own from LGA as well, since they just started ops there last week?

-Phil




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User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5495 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3499 times:

This isn't a completely done deal. AMR intends to discontinue LGA-PWM flights on Nov 1st and transfer the two LGA slots from PWM to BUF. That only supports half their BUF schedule. They have REQUESTED two more slots from the govt, which they may or may not get.


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User currently offlineLUV4JFK From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3387 times:

How sad is American Airlines that JetBlue was able to push them out of an airport they once dominated? American Eagle is now a joke at JFK compared to its peak a couple of years ago, which was about 65 flights a day. Now they are starting a route they discontinued from JFK to start it at LGA.

I don't even know why they still fly domestically from JFK under the 1500 mile rule that LGA has. Just stick to the west coast American because you are only going to move the flights to LGA anyway. I guess we'll see all Eagle flights from JFK in the past now at LGA for the future.

Just take a look at the BOS & DCA flights. At JFK, they were at about 10 per day to each city. All of a sudden, they created 'business flights' from LGA with those 20 flights and JFK is left with 8 total, which I'm still shocked it's that much.  Wow! I guess we will be seeing ROC, SYR, ALB, PVD, BDL, BWI, PIT, & PHL because these were all Eagle destinations from JFK.

LUV4JFK
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User currently offlineNomadic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3287 times:

I am still hoping JetBlue will begin ALB JFK. Eagle used to have 6 flights a day on the route and all are gone. There is no service on any airline to JFK.

User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4507 posts, RR: 34
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3210 times:

I agree, MAH, AA is probably targeting US. With JetBlue in the picture, none of the legacy carriers have been able to sustain mainline a/c from ROC/ BUF/ SYR to LGA or JFK. CO likely maintains mainline on BUF-EWR on the strength of its hub. AA probably thinks they can grab from US (the only carrier currently flying the route) the apparently few people who are willing to pay a network-carrier premium to fly into LGA. Test the waters in Buffalo, the biggest Upstate market. If it works there, perhaps try in ROC, SYR, ALB. US has reason to worry.

As Milesrich and STT757 noted, AA served all these cities plus ALB to the New York market for decades. In 1972, AA flew DC-10's on ROC-LGA, I don't know about the other markets.

Also: If AA is trying this on BUF-LGA, don't be surprised if they try it on BUF-BOS too. Eagle served Boston from BUF, ROC, and SYR during the '90s, and I think up until 9/11. (correct me if wrong)

I don't see how this move could be related to Florida, though. SHUPirate's right about what hell it would be to make B-C connections at LGA. I had to go between B and C once *before* 9-11 and it was awful. Maybe you know something I don't, MAH, you sure are well informed about South Florida. But I think AA is simply trying to re-establish a longtime former regional route--perhaps with intention of doing it across Upstate.

Jim



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User currently offlineAERoc From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3183 times:

I work for Eagle in ROC and last week we had a meeting about the possibility of getting LGA and it does not look good. The start up of LGA for BUF seems to be in the testing stage and who knows what will happen to that. In the first week of operation of the flight about three seats were sold to LGA and five seats back to BUF total for all flights. I know its just starting, but I have not seen any Ad's or promotion of this route around the area or in our magazines. I feel that its going to be direct competition with USAirways and possibly the takeover of the route if US folds. Here at ROC the best news of expanding to date is a small maybe on RDU sometime next year. Who knows but I really hope that LGA turns out good for BUF and possibly getting some more Up State consideration for future additions of flights. Until then its a ROC-ORD all day everyday...........

User currently offlineWomack17 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 489 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3162 times:
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That is exciting to here that AE is considering a n/s to RDU from ROC. The biggest issue at RDU continues to be "no room in the inn." - It is very frustrating for the travelers at RDU because flying out of Terminal A is a nightmare - most of the time it is organized chaos at best. There are several options for adding new service. The RDU airport authority recently asked US to give up three of their gates in the hopes of attracting some new nonstop destinations. Rochester would be a welcome addition.




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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6775 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3131 times:

The RDU airport authority recently asked US to give up three of their gates in the hopes of attracting some new nonstop destinations.

Womack,

RDUAA asked US for 2 of their 5 gates and their maintenance base.. they are leaving 3 to US. They are offering a total of 4 gates to any airline(s) wanting to start new destinations from RDU.

RDU-ROC would be interesting, but I could see RDU-BUF before RDU-ROC.. there are a lot more daily passengers between RDU-BUF than RDU-ROC. But, you never know what AE plans on doing. All I do know is that they will have 100 additional AE crew here, so they must be planning something.

As far as gate space at RDU for AE, there is actually quite a bit of space. AE uses 6 gates with 9 stands. At frequent times during the day, the stands are empty cause AE has very short turn-around times. Also, they use 3 stand away from the terminal that could be used with a shuttle. So I do think there is room at the terminal for more aircraft/destinations. Should be interesting to see what pops up once AUS starts.

AA seems to add destinations once the current new destiantions begin. I should hope to see BUF and MSY.



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3514 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3108 times:

"In the first week of operation of the flight about three seats were sold to LGA and five seats back to BUF total for all flights."

What do you mean? These flights start on November 1st.


User currently offlineAERoc From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3039 times:

I mean that as of right now there are about three seats sold on the flights in the first "planned week" of operation and about five booked on the way back to BUF for the first "planned week" of operation. I know it does not start til NOV 1st. Ae is using the EMB135 and it hold 37 seats so with 4 flts a day x 7 days in the week x 37 seats = the possibility of 1036 pax flown for the week either way BUF-LGA or LGA-BUF. Right now there are only 3 seats for the whole week sold BUF-LGA and five for LGA-BUF. Thats what I mean.

User currently offlineWomack17 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 489 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3026 times:
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ERJ170,

I can always count on you to clear up my mistakes.  Smile

I have been trying to figure out what new destinations AE is planning from RDU. Like you I believe that RDU-BUF is long overdue.

ERJ - What are you hearing from the AE guys? Any speculation on new nonstops?



Oh how I miss Midway Airlines. A class act right to then end.
User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3514 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3017 times:

"Right now there are only 3 seats for the whole week sold BUF-LGA and five for LGA-BUF."

That's excellent result as no one knew about this connection. They need to put some adverts if they want to attract business travelers.


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6775 posts, RR: 17
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2958 times:

All the news I get is from reading and digging through the internet. Haven't actually spoken to any of the workers.. would love to get some inside resources....


Aiming High and going far..
25 MAH4546 : All I do know is that they will have 100 additional AE crew here, so they must be planning something. That does not mean they are planning something.
26 ERJ170 : True.. AMR will be saving about $1 million a year, but the AE crew will only be able to work on AE flights... if the current number of AE employees ar
27 MAH4546 : True.. AMR will be saving about $1 million a year, but the AE crew will only be able to work on AE flights... if the current number of AE employees ar
28 AERoc : At no time were there mainline crew working Eagle. You were either Eagle or AA. You might flowback to AE but at that time you became AE. You would not
29 DesertJets : This is all very interesting, especially as American historically has been a dominate carrier in the upstate NY market. Just did some reading on my lo
30 Pvd757 : Slightly off topic, but AA and NYC related anyhow. JFK-LGB gets the axe 11/1/04...will be loaded (taken out actually) into Sabre this weekend.
31 FA4B6 : Slightly off topic, but AA and NYC related anyhow. JFK-LGB gets the axe 11/1/04...will be loaded (taken out actually) into Sabre this weekend. Thats r
32 NYCAAer : No word on what will be done with the slots at LGB. ORD might be a possibility, but who knows? I wish AA would bring mainline service back to BUF, ROC
33 Danny : "You would think that at least BUF could support 2-3 MD80s to DFW a day. " American announced a daily flight DFW-BUF on MD-80 some time ago then... th
34 Post contains links Sebwhite : Here is the press release! http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/041001/daf016_1.html FORT WORTH, Texas, Oct. 1 /PRNewswire/ -- American Eagle today announced i
35 Dallas74 : Just what LGA needs more flights! The airport is just about back to pre-9/11 delay levels. Using LGA as a hub is a really bad idea. LGA was the choice
36 Post contains images LUV4JFK : American Eagle today announced it will begin new nonstop service between New York La Guardia International Airport and Buffalo, New York. It seems lat
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