Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
UA Parking The 737 Fleet?  
User currently offlineStarrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1126 posts, RR: 2
Posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6878 times:

According to Cactuswings, UA has parked more than 25 733/735 since the start of September. Is this a temporary thing for MX or are we seeing a draw-down of their Boeing narrowbody fleet?


Knowledge Replaces Fear
19 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlineFutureUApilot From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1365 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6705 times:

Oh gret, just what they need! :'(
-future



The Pilot is the highest form of life on Earth!
User currently offlineDayflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6620 times:

Get rid of anything that is older than 15 years or it's inefficient. If United had any brains they would get rid of of everything narrowbody but one or two types in the same family.

Fleet simplification is the name of the game, not the number of seats alone anymore. A very smart move for United, although I will miss the Boeings dearly as I am a huge fan. They really only need a couple of different airplanes anyway; every time I go to ORD I am amazed at the number of types they fly. It absolutely defies belief. They only need (in my worthless opinion) CRJ or EMB 170 sized, B737-700/800class and 777 family.



One Nation Under God
User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5726 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6490 times:

Whoa there, armchair CEO dayflier.
Many airlines are getting along great with planes that are far older than 15. Southwest, Northwest, and American come to mind. Southwest is flying some great old 737-2H4's, Northwest has their reliable niners, and American is flying some MD-80s that have broken the 20 year mark. Does it make sense to spend forty million to replace a plane that is working fine? No, it does not, especially when you are in BK court- and I don't mean burger king anymore.

How would they get rid of the entire 737 and 757 fleets? Uh, there aren't enough 320s in the fleet to do all the flying, AND they don't meet the needs.

Have you realized that there are things the 320 series planes cannot do? They need 757s for that.
And like you said- it's not about seats anymore- the 777 is too big for almost all of their routes- hence they are parking them in the desert. That's why they have... You guessed it, the 767.

Fleet simplification would NOT turn United into a profit machine overnight.

Rumor had it that the 735s were ALL going to go. Which doesn't make sense to me- they are efficient airplanes (just ask Southwest- they like them a lot!), and they don't have an Airbus equivalent in the fleet. The 318 would be an okay replacement (though not perfect, due to different design intentions) but it doesn't matter, because UA doesn't HAVE the 318.

R


User currently offlineStarrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1126 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6409 times:

The cactuswings news is showing 735 and 733 heading to Goodyear. Maybe headed to Fedex?


Knowledge Replaces Fear
User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4105 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6102 times:

There is a difference here between UA dumping the 735's and, say NW keeping the DC-9s. NW OWNS their DC-9s, but all of the 735's UA is "retiring" are leased. UA has found that it isn't cost effective to keep these aircraft in the fleet, or they would. To replace these, more flights (such as ORD-IND) are going to United Express and others are being covered by the Airbus fleet. Others are coming from cancelled routes (such as all the MIA routes). Despite what everyone likes to think, UA has some clue as to what they are doing.

User currently offlineATLhomeCMH From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 770 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6046 times:

How is this possible? The 300s and 500s make up such a chuck of their fleet. Is this part of cost-cutting moves to avoid another bankruptcy?

How will they fill in the gaps in their fleet?



"The most terrifying words in the Engligh language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"-Ronald Reagan
User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7989 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5932 times:

Given the fairly oddball status of the 737-300/500 fleet in UA service, I'm not surprised that UA is phasing them out. That way, UA saves a lot of money in maintanence and operating costs of these planes, and UA would be able to do more fleet standardization. I think WN might be interested in taking these ex-UA planes if they're in good condition for future route expansion.

User currently offlineCessna172RG From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5474 times:

"That's why they have... You guessed it, the 767."

Unfortunately, United doesn't have a lot of these planes, or at least as much as some other carriers do.



Save the whales...for dinner!!!
User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5316 times:

>>>I think WN might be interested in taking these ex-UA planes if they're in good condition for future route expansion.

While there was a time in years past where SWA obtained used -300s of a certain vintage, obtaining any used -300s today would mean that they are older aircraft (at the time of acquisition) than those acquired in years past. I seriously doubt if SWA would want the exposure to increased MX costs from these older aircraft.

I think it's more likely that SWA will, if aircraft are needed, work with Boeing to accelerate deliveries of previously ordered -700s, in addition to converting options to firm orders.


User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 28
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5171 times:

"I'm pleased to see them go....seems like that's all they ever fly from DEN/ORD-PHL.

Not sure about the PHL flights. . .but when I'm on UA between DEN and ORD. . .I always make sure I get a 747, 767, or a 777. There are 737 flights, but they are usually within ten minutes of these widebody flights. . .kind of overflow if you will. . .not all, but quite a few of them.




Ding! You are now free to keep supporting Frontier.
User currently offlineFluorine From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2004, 55 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5039 times:

In the long term, maybe United has to reduce the fleet type. The A320 families for narrowbodies, 777 for long-range flights or high density flights and may probably order some 7E7s to replace the ageing 757s and 767s in the future.

This may help them in the long term.

[Edited 2004-09-29 17:53:44]

User currently offlineATLhomeCMH From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 770 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5001 times:

Well hopefully we'll see more UA Airbuses here at CMH...mostly its 733s and 735s with the occasional A319 and 320s.


"The most terrifying words in the Engligh language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"-Ronald Reagan
User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7511 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4956 times:

Not sure about the PHL flights. .

DIA,

In terms of UA's mainline operations at PHL, it's a mixed bag of 737s, A319s & A320s with an occasional 757 thrown in now and then.



"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
User currently offlineSFORunner From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 324 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4494 times:

I believe the 735's are going back to the leasing company, no?

User currently offlineUal777contrail From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3803 times:

Most UA employees knew they were getting rid of 25 or so of the 735's This isn't new. Some act as if UAL did this in a last ditch effort to stay alive, so to confront the gossip it has been in the works for some time.

UAL will replace the aging 735's and use EXPRESS and A319/20'S


UAL 777 CONTRAIL


User currently offlineFrosty72 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 10 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3491 times:

Herb Keller knew what he was doing, stick with one type. It reduces cost on training (pilots, F/A, MX, etc..), stores only worry about ordering same part, more than likely they will pick up some ex-UA 73X. The current UA fleet is eye candy to look at as you go through ORD, DEN or SFO, but in this economy it is KILLING them. :-( If they want to make cuts to save the airline don't bite the hand that feeds you, leave the pay where it is and start negotiations with the executives, bonuses salaries, stock options etc.

cheers,

frosty72



I am a filmmaker because I dare to dream!
User currently offlineDbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 883 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (9 years 10 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2726 times:

I have noticed on some of the flights into DSM, they have been switching out the 737s for 319s, 320s and even on some flights 757s. These flights have always been flown with 737s. I'm not sure if this is a sign that some 737s are leaving the fleet, or if they are just changing things up for DSM a little.

User currently offlineUal777contrail From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2562 times:

FROSTY72,
You speak a little truth but WN doesn't carry the numbers that UAL and the others two huge legacy carriers do. WN doesn't fly international and they never will. Fleet commonality is great if your an LCC like WN and the others but it doesn't mean squat if your a legacy, you can be like the Hawaiian carriers and fly the guppy to Hawaii but the numbers are in the 777 and widebodies.
HERB may have had a vision, and it is looked at as genius, but they will always fill the niche here in America, but people travel abroad as well.


UAL 777 CONTRAIL


User currently offlineEuropean From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 10 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2503 times:

Hello!,

I would have thought they would make more money flying the Aircraft.

Wouldn't they

European


Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
UA And The 737-700 posted Fri Nov 19 2004 22:00:08 by United4EverDEN
United Parking The 737's? posted Fri Oct 25 2002 16:34:10 by Landgreen
UA 737 Fleet posted Thu Nov 30 2000 15:10:01 by ContinentalEWR
WN Order The 737-700ER? posted Wed Dec 6 2006 02:26:02 by Iloveboeing
Will AirTran Finally Take The 737-800? posted Mon Nov 6 2006 22:51:43 by AkjetBlue
Why Was The 737 Original Built? posted Sat Nov 4 2006 20:28:05 by 747400sp
Is Southwest Ordering The 737-700ER? posted Sat Nov 4 2006 04:08:45 by SWABFA
UA ... Round The World posted Mon Oct 16 2006 22:46:59 by Flyingrob
AA/UA And The WTC 9/11 Memorial posted Fri Oct 6 2006 20:50:07 by Nycfly75
Is The A300 Fleet Of SV Or AA Older? posted Fri Oct 6 2006 14:44:43 by ConcordeLoss