Dayflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7141 times:
Get rid of anything that is older than 15 years or it's inefficient. If United had any brains they would get rid of of everything narrowbody but one or two types in the same family.
Fleet simplification is the name of the game, not the number of seats alone anymore. A very smart move for United, although I will miss the Boeings dearly as I am a huge fan. They really only need a couple of different airplanes anyway; every time I go to ORD I am amazed at the number of types they fly. It absolutely defies belief. They only need (in my worthless opinion) CRJ or EMB 170 sized, B737-700/800class and 777 family.
AA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6282 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7011 times:
Whoa there, armchair CEO dayflier.
Many airlines are getting along great with planes that are far older than 15. Southwest, Northwest, and American come to mind. Southwest is flying some great old 737-2H4's, Northwest has their reliable niners, and American is flying some MD-80s that have broken the 20 year mark. Does it make sense to spend forty million to replace a plane that is working fine? No, it does not, especially when you are in BK court- and I don't mean burger king anymore.
How would they get rid of the entire 737 and 757 fleets? Uh, there aren't enough 320s in the fleet to do all the flying, AND they don't meet the needs.
Have you realized that there are things the 320 series planes cannot do? They need 757s for that.
And like you said- it's not about seats anymore- the 777 is too big for almost all of their routes- hence they are parking them in the desert. That's why they have... You guessed it, the 767.
Fleet simplification would NOT turn United into a profit machine overnight.
Rumor had it that the 735s were ALL going to go. Which doesn't make sense to me- they are efficient airplanes (just ask Southwest- they like them a lot!), and they don't have an Airbus equivalent in the fleet. The 318 would be an okay replacement (though not perfect, due to different design intentions) but it doesn't matter, because UA doesn't HAVE the 318.
FriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4139 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6623 times:
There is a difference here between UA dumping the 735's and, say NW keeping the DC-9s. NW OWNS their DC-9s, but all of the 735's UA is "retiring" are leased. UA has found that it isn't cost effective to keep these aircraft in the fleet, or they would. To replace these, more flights (such as ORD-IND) are going to United Express and others are being covered by the Airbus fleet. Others are coming from cancelled routes (such as all the MIA routes). Despite what everyone likes to think, UA has some clue as to what they are doing.
RayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8346 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6453 times:
Given the fairly oddball status of the 737-300/500 fleet in UA service, I'm not surprised that UA is phasing them out. That way, UA saves a lot of money in maintanence and operating costs of these planes, and UA would be able to do more fleet standardization. I think WN might be interested in taking these ex-UA planes if they're in good condition for future route expansion.
OPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5837 times:
>>>I think WN might be interested in taking these ex-UA planes if they're in good condition for future route expansion.
While there was a time in years past where SWA obtained used -300s of a certain vintage, obtaining any used -300s today would mean that they are older aircraft (at the time of acquisition) than those acquired in years past. I seriously doubt if SWA would want the exposure to increased MX costs from these older aircraft.
I think it's more likely that SWA will, if aircraft are needed, work with Boeing to accelerate deliveries of previously ordered -700s, in addition to converting options to firm orders.
DIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5692 times:
"I'm pleased to see them go....seems like that's all they ever fly from DEN/ORD-PHL.
Not sure about the PHL flights. . .but when I'm on UA between DEN and ORD. . .I always make sure I get a 747, 767, or a 777. There are 737 flights, but they are usually within ten minutes of these widebody flights. . .kind of overflow if you will. . .not all, but quite a few of them.
Ding! You are now free to keep supporting Frontier.
Fluorine From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2004, 55 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5560 times:
In the long term, maybe United has to reduce the fleet type. The A320 families for narrowbodies, 777 for long-range flights or high density flights and may probably order some 7E7s to replace the ageing 757s and 767s in the future.
Ual777contrail From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4324 times:
Most UA employees knew they were getting rid of 25 or so of the 735's This isn't new. Some act as if UAL did this in a last ditch effort to stay alive, so to confront the gossip it has been in the works for some time.
UAL will replace the aging 735's and use EXPRESS and A319/20'S
Frosty72 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4012 times:
Herb Keller knew what he was doing, stick with one type. It reduces cost on training (pilots, F/A, MX, etc..), stores only worry about ordering same part, more than likely they will pick up some ex-UA 73X. The current UA fleet is eye candy to look at as you go through ORD, DEN or SFO, but in this economy it is KILLING them. :-( If they want to make cuts to save the airline don't bite the hand that feeds you, leave the pay where it is and start negotiations with the executives, bonuses salaries, stock options etc.
Dbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1086 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3247 times:
I have noticed on some of the flights into DSM, they have been switching out the 737s for 319s, 320s and even on some flights 757s. These flights have always been flown with 737s. I'm not sure if this is a sign that some 737s are leaving the fleet, or if they are just changing things up for DSM a little.
Ual777contrail From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3083 times:
You speak a little truth but WN doesn't carry the numbers that UAL and the others two huge legacy carriers do. WN doesn't fly international and they never will. Fleet commonality is great if your an LCC like WN and the others but it doesn't mean squat if your a legacy, you can be like the Hawaiian carriers and fly the guppy to Hawaii but the numbers are in the 777 and widebodies.
HERB may have had a vision, and it is looked at as genius, but they will always fill the niche here in America, but people travel abroad as well.