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AA Growing Boston?  
User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4085 posts, RR: 2
Posted (9 years 10 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3889 times:

Yesterday's announcement that AA is calling back FAs at certain stations--including Boston--prompts me to ask whether the carrier will field new nonstops out of Boston to Europe in '05? Or is this ramp-up for Caribbean service? Maybe the Manchester-Boston 757 experiment went well enough for them to try new experiments next year? Ireland would be good, inasmuch as Aer Lingus has had Dublin/Shannon to themselves for decades.

Chris in NH

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User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3798 times:

That'd be awesome to get a few more flights out of BOS. Where is AA flying to Europe from BOS?

AA777jr


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8210 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3737 times:

I believe AA flies from BOS to LHR, CDG, and MAN.

User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3705 times:

I would think AA routes from BOS to DUB (and with it SNN) and FCO/MXP would do well, considering the large Irish and Italian populations and reletively low capacity right now. It would not be a bad idea to pull a CO and do 757s to SNN and bigger gauge to DUB


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User currently offlineBy738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2264 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3629 times:

BOS-GLA has been mentioned. Would do well Im sure in a 757 config. The Northwest DC-10 BOS-GLA did well in economy.

User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8210 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3611 times:

Execept the so called large population of Irish and Italians who travel are low yield passengers. There isn't that much business between New England and Ireland or Italy, except tourism, I don't think. The same applies to Brazil, and Portugal, each of these arguably with a larger population in New England than the Irish and Italians combined.

User currently offlineGustyOrange From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3570 times:

It has been strongly rumoured on here that AA will operate from BOS to GLA next year.

NW operated this route for years before closing down their tx operation at BOS.

NW packed DC-10's full every day. I'm sure AA could fill a 757 no problem.

Gusty


User currently offlineBoeingBus From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1596 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3499 times:

"The same applies to Brazil, and Portugal, each of these arguably with a larger population in New England than the Irish and Italians combined."

Sorry, but where do you get your numbers? Totally not true ... The Irish and Italians make considerably more than the Portuguese speaking population in New England. Maybe I am misunderstanding your statement.

But I do agree Ireland/Portugal/Brazil are touristic destinations for most and from BOS only seasonal service is likely. Italy FCO/MXP should support year round service as Milan is huge business center.

But I have doubts any of these destination will happen from BOS as JFK/EWK is a jaunt away.



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User currently offlineLUV4JFK From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3417 times:

Unless AA is already flying these routes out of DFW, ORD or MIA, it's not going to happen. They would never launch a new European city from Boston when they could start it out of a hub, even with ORD's number of delays. Even though Boston has a large Irish population, American isn't going to fly to Dublin or Shannon without going through Chicago first. Rome and Glasgow are only seasonal services to begin with, so I think there would be a much better chance to see one of those 2 cities for new service, especially Rome.

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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 962 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3395 times:

Unless AA is already flying these routes out of DFW, ORD or MIA, it's not going to happen. They would never launch a new European city from Boston when they could start it out of a hub

With CO and others filling nearly every seat of their Ireland/UK 752 service, they just might. BOS isn't an obscure destination for AA, and if the traffic is there, go for it....


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32609 posts, RR: 72
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3369 times:

Unless AA is already flying these routes out of DFW, ORD or MIA, it's not going to happen.

AA already flies to Glasgow from Chicago O'Hare. AA is expected to announce a fourth trans-Atlantic route from Boston for next summer, it will be 757 operated, and will likely be GLA (already served from ORD) or MAD (already served from MIA). Also, they have changed thier mind about BOS-CDG, and will operate it next summer (it was supposed to be discontinued).

AA is going to keep a close eye on what happens to US Airways. If we see a US Airways collapse (hopefully not), AA will definitley try to fortify their LaGuardia, Boston, and Caribbean (from MIA/JFK/BOS) operations. We are already seeing this with new routes like MIA-SKB, MIA-UVF, and LGA-BUF.



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8894 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3371 times:

The thing with BOS is that they can provide quite a bit of feed into the BOS operation for trans-Atlantic flight. They have service from MCO, FLL, and MIA in Florida, SEA, SAN, LAX, and SFO on the West Coast, the STL, ORD, DFW, and SJU hubs, and Eagle service to several destinations on the East Coast, so they should be able to provide enough feed to make a lot of routes first.

Anyway, any word on any more Eagle routes out of BOS? I would love to see GSO-LGA/BOS come on board. Also, Eagle used to serve BOS-PIT, and I wouldn't mind seeing them bring back some upstate NY routes out of BOS.

Jeff


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32609 posts, RR: 72
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3351 times:

The thing with BOS is that they can provide quite a bit of feed into the BOS operation for trans-Atlantic flight. They have service from MCO, FLL, and MIA in Florida, SEA, SAN, LAX, and SFO on the West Coast, the STL, ORD, DFW, and SJU hubs,

They don't want that feed. BOS is for O&D. They already fly MIA-MAN/CDG/LHR and LAX-LHR, not to mention ORD-MAN/CDG/LHR and DFW-CDG/LGW, so feeding through BOS isn't needed. The flights are there to capture lucrative O&D traffic. Connecting traffic is routed through O'Hare, Dallas, or Miami, whichever is easiest. That being said, of course AA gets plenty (thousands) of connecting passengers at Boston everyday, though that is not the purpose.



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User currently offlineBostonguy From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 514 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3329 times:

Actually, the demographics for the Boston Metropolitan Area (2000 Census) show that Latinos consititute by a large margin the single largest segment of the population.

Of the Irish and Italian segments there are no real "connections" that these people have to Ireland or Italy other than occasional leisure travel. Business connections are weak, too.

Although non-Latino Europeans are still a majority, non-Latino European nationalities don't come close, individually, to the Latino population.

If AA introduces new international routes from Boston I would imagine it would be to places such as the Caribbean, Central or South America. I doubt Ireland will be one of the new routes.


User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3297 times:

I understand that AA's transatlantic growth at BOS has discouraged US from its own transatlantic ambitions there. It's not looking as likely that US will (re)start BOS-FRA next summer, and US will almost certainly not attempt BOS-LGW.

Anyway, any word on any more Eagle routes out of BOS? I would love to see GSO-LGA/BOS come on board. Also, Eagle used to serve BOS-PIT, and I wouldn't mind seeing them bring back some upstate NY routes out of BOS.

GSO is pretty well served with US/DL. GSO-BOS has gone from 2 dailies to 6 in a short period of time, so I really don't think there's room for any more capacity there. GSO-LGA is also pretty well served with 10 dailies; I think AA would have better places to use its LGA slots.

I would expect either AA or DL to (re)start BOS-PIT as US continues to pull-down the PIT hub. (I expect US to maintain about 6 daily frequencies on BOS-PIT, with between 0 and 2 mainline frequencies.)



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User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3031 times:

FCO is seasonal for AA? I thought it was year round...should be if it's not. MAD is year round.

AA777jr


User currently offlineGustyOrange From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2961 times:

Does anyone know when we might expect an anouncement on the new route from BOS ?

Gusty


User currently offlineAirportugal310 From Palau, joined Apr 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2904 times:

Just for the record here, Portugal (and subsequently Portuguese people) is/are NOT Latino. Thanks

Bruno



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User currently offlineChautauquasaab From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2903 times:

Didn't AA plan on BOS-NRT some years back?

User currently offlineBostonguy From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 514 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2802 times:

Hispanic = Spain and Spanish-speaking countries in Latin America

Latino = Latin American countries (uncluding Portuguese-speaking Brazil)

Portugal, however, falls into neither of those categories.

Thanks for clearing that up, AirPortugal310


User currently offlineIberia340600 From Spain, joined Oct 2003, 804 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2785 times:

Spain does not = hispanic

Spain is Spanish and/or European



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User currently offlineFlpuck6 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2122 posts, RR: 30
Reply 21, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2726 times:

AA does NOT fly BOS-FCO.

The CDG route is seasonal and I have heard airport-rumors that the route will not come back after this winter, but no confirmation has been made.



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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8210 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2606 times:

Bostonguy, thanks for the numbers. The thought that Irish and Italians make up a large group in New England is a present day myth. There are however, a lot of Americans of Irish and Italian ancestry but they are American and have little to no ties to Ireland and Itally. Latinos, especially Brazilians, and Portuguese are by far the largest group of non-American residents in New England.

The travel market for all these groups however, is strictly leisure. I remember back in the good old days Varig was going to start service to BOS but cancelled. TAP pulled back during it's restructuring. AZ can barelly keep up, and Aer Lingus manages to stay on because there is a sizable leisure market from New England to Ireland. Same goes for AZ.


User currently offlineMIAskies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1343 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2575 times:

Things are looking better for AA ey? great to see the possibilties of future growth at Boston as well!

Would be great to see another AA city in the U.S. serve MAD besides MIA. That city (MAD) is underserved by AA, although it has plenty of code-share with IB on their ORD, JFK legs.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32609 posts, RR: 72
Reply 24, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2536 times:

The CDG route is seasonal and I have heard airport-rumors that the route will not come back after this winter, but no confirmation has been made.

It will come back. It was supposed to be discontinued, but was uploaded into reservation systems this weekend.

Also, don't know about new routes, but AA is discontinuing two Boston routes on Halloween: BOS-PWM (which was seasonal, but will not return since AA is pulling out of PWM) and BOS-LAS.



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25 BoeingBus : "Latinos, especially Brazilians, and Portuguese are by far the largest group of non-American residents in New England." When did we start to label a P
26 MAH4546 : Therefore, AA will never offer flight to LIS... they are going to concentrate on S. American destinations AA is not going to offer Boston-South Americ
27 Post contains images Airbazar : Actually Boeingbus, I am Portuguese I never said Portuguese are Latinos, although it's a shady area because, as you well know, the Portuguese language
28 Iberia340600 : MIAskies: IB is looking to open up BOS possibly next year. If that happens...you can be sure that it will have the AA code-share as well.
29 MIAskies : Yea that sounds just about right...other than MIA and maybe even JFK...I do not think any other city in the U.S. warrants double daily service to MAD
30 ChrisNH : It would be good to see Iberia back in Boston. I recall when they lost a DC-10-30 at Logan when it hit the approach lights and crash-landed. The hulk
31 Airbazar : ChrisNH, just a minor addition. There are still thrice weekly flights from BOS to LIS on Sata Internacional. One of the flights has a stop in the Azor
32 Aa767400 : Latino, and Hispanic, are very well the same thing in America. Some groups think of themselves as Latino, and some as Hispanic. While, Brazil is not a
33 ChrisNH : Just to chime in on the AA Boston-Narita flight. I think that was 'A good idea at the time.' This idea was hatched back in the heyday of high-tech tra
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