In the wake of major layoffs and concessions, we are painfully aware of ATA's financial situation and have been doing everything we can to help the company succeed. But this is not about money; it's about job security and fairness. We believe the hidden agenda is to furlough employees and outsource their work. ATA forced mediation to happen by dragging out our contract negotiations and now is not taking mediation seriously. ATA has left us no alternative except to push for the next legal step, which will head us toward a strike Jim Young, regional director of the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Organization (AMFA)
Maybe they'll need less mechanics for less 737's...
MxCtrlr From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2485 posts, RR: 34
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1946 times:
ATA screwed themselves when they stepped out of their best market (chater flights) and decided to go 121 Sked and order all those new 753's and 738's. Now they are paying for those mistakes.
Let's remember, there has never been a successful downsizing of an airline (you reduce your revenue potential far more than you reduce your operating costs) and I see no reason that ATA will beat that trend. The unions talking about going on strike just sets off a domino-effect which will drive future pax away from them in droves - the last thing anyone at ATA needs.
Good luck guys & gals at ATA - You're gonna need it because the fun-meter has just begun to peg out!
Freight Dogs Anonymous - O.O.T.S.K.
DAMN! This SUCKS! I just had to go to the next higher age bracket in my profile! :-(
Aa717driver From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1566 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1836 times:
This has happened so many times in the past. In '87 I got laid off there because ATA made a foray into scheduled service Where did they choose? DEN and ORD. They got their butts handed to them.
Later, they tried the same thing(I believe sometime in the '90's) and had to pull back. This time, they really went headlong into the scheduled thing and may not be able to just pull back into charter.
George may want to just liquidate and start over in charter.TC
Isitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1699 times:
That union isnt the smartest bunch of ducks. What they want to do is get released around the 22 of OCT, not now. Thirty days later puts the calendar close to the Thanksgiving holiday.
The company will listen, not shut down over those few days. Thanksgiving is always a heavy period for the carriers....always has been. They need that revenue.
If two people agree on EVERYTHING, then one isn't necessary.
EA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13811 posts, RR: 61
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1663 times:
Let's remember, there has never been a successful downsizing of an airline (you reduce your revenue potential far more than you reduce your operating costs)
For the most part, that's the case - downsizing is usually not the way to go...but couldn't you also argue that CO did downsize successfully when they closed their DEN hub? Even HP downsized to some degree following their trip through bankruptcy, and they're doing reasonably well.
But again, those weren't downsizing to the degree that could take place at TZ.
"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan
BNE From Australia, joined Mar 2000, 3190 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1494 times:
Did ATA expand to fast
Or did it just order its planes at the wrong time.
In 2000, ATA placed a large order for new Boeing 737-800 and Boeing 757-300 aircraft to expand its fleet for additional flights from Chicago Midway.
American Trans Air began in 1973. Charter status was given by the FAA in 1981 and ATA bought Boeing 707s and DC-10s, with Boeing 727s following in the early 1980s. With the lack of used DC-10s worldwide ATA switched to the Lockheed Tristar which, along with the Boeing 727s, replaced it's aging 707 fleet. In 2000 they were designated a major carrier with revenues over $1 billion dollars a year.