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DHL May Withdraw MD-11 From BRU  
User currently offlineTs-ior From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3492 posts, RR: 6
Posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2577 times:


DHL is threatening to transfer its European hub of Brussels to Leipzig,Germany or Vatry,France. The origins of these intentions back to the tough noise abatement measures taken by BRU under the pressures of the Zaventem neighbourhood. DHL's A300s and MD-11s are considered noisy and so disliked for intercontinental and European night flights which make the backbone of the DHL traffic. According to a key DHL director, the airline may quit BRU or ask for a special permission to fly these undesired types until finding another quite type...

Affaire à suivre...

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User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2535 times:

I suspect they will move to Vatry in time.Why are politicians in Belgium shooting themselves in the foot?

User currently offlineTs-ior From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3492 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2493 times:


Is the MD-11 so noisy ? What about the 727s and the early A300s ?!

BRU has established special night take-off and landing paths that may reduce noise "pollution" around the airport, but the problem is that constructing permits are still being delivered although the prohibiting law of 1977. Just this morning, i watched a report on RTBF in which houses were built just steps through the ATC tower and the noise abatement wall !!! A real pleasure for A.netters indeed !!!


User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5052 posts, RR: 44
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2466 times:

The whole DHL issue has been the main headline on the news in Belgium for the last two weeks: it's a circus of grotesk proportions. The different governments in belgium are accusing each other of everying and anything, are accusing DHL of changing its mind halfway through the talks, and DHL accuses the government of changing the rules. Personally I'm surprised by the patience DHL has shown in this case. If I were them, I'd have given the middle finger to our 'fantastic' politicians a long time ago...

User currently offlineTs-ior From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3492 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2440 times:


...they seem to be neglecting the thousands of workers that may loose their jobs DHL quits BRU !!!

I think it's better to loose a few minutes of sleeping than becoming jobless in a clap of hands !!!


User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4696 posts, RR: 42
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2437 times:

If you take into account, who the major shareholder of DHL is nowadays and if you consider, how a combination of the DHL- with the overnight mail activities of the said main sharehodler would benefit the entire operation (e.g. economy of scale), you will understand, why Vatry is already almost certainly out of the race.


Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4166 posts, RR: 36
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2434 times:

Have to agree with TriStar500. In addition, LEJ has already got approval to support DHL´s move to LEJ with some money. I suppose BRU will keep some operations, but it will basically move away from there.

Regards
Flying-Tiger



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User currently offlineBoeing764 From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 298 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2439 times:

What MD-11s does DHL operate?

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User currently offlineGARUDAROD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1524 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2385 times:

Boeing 764

I was wondering the same thing. Since when did DHL start flying
MD-11's????? Are there any Mad Dogs painted in that hideous
Yellow scheme?



Cargo doesn't whine, moan, or complain
User currently onlineClipper002 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 680 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2376 times:

The MD-11F that is flying for DHL is actually a WOA a/c. It flies 5x week DAY/BRU/DAY on behalf on Menlo Wirldwide.


Ed



Ed
User currently offlineGARUDAROD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1524 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2349 times:


Clipper002,

If the plane is operating on behalf of Menlo Worldwide, wouldn't DHL just
have a blocked space agreement on the plane and hence not being
operated by DHL???? Menlo Worldwide is the former Emery Worldwide/
CFAirfreight and their U.S. hub is DAY, while DHL has their hub at CVG



Cargo doesn't whine, moan, or complain
User currently offlineAllee From Canada, joined Jun 1999, 490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2274 times:

Looked at the company schedules. Shows:

Operated by: Gemini Air Cargo
Flight Number: 8284
Departure City: Brussels, Belgium (EBBR)
Departure Time: 03:30 AM
Arrival City: New York, NY (JFK)
Arrival Time: 05:20 AM
Aircraft Type: Boeing MD11

ops Tues-Sat, departs 30 minutes later on Saturday.


User currently offlineIowa744fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2264 times:

Tristar500 and Flying-Tiger,

Are you guys referring to Deutshe Post? I am trying to remember if it is them. Can you give me a yes or no? Thanks.


User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4166 posts, RR: 36
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2244 times:

Yes, it is Deutsche Post who nowadays owns DHL. Part of their global strategy.

Regards
Flying-Tiger



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User currently offlineThe Red Baron From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2002, 90 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2092 times:

DHL have an alliance with Lufthansa Cargo and a lot of the MD-11Fs operated fly on LH flight numbers but carry mainly DHL product.
Nottingham EMA has 3x MD11Fs each weekday night...
CGN>EMA>JFK (GCO aircraft)
CVG>EMA>CVG (LH aircraft)
HKG>SHJ>CGN>BGY>EMA>CGN>HKG (LH aircraft)
So if there are Lufty MD11Fs passing thru BRU they are probably on DHL flights as is the World machine.
The vast majority of DHL's flights are on other carriers - eg Air Contractors, European Air Transport (wholly owned by DHL though) and lots of others.
If Bru doesn't want the MD11Fs then NEMA will have them  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineApuneger From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 3032 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2010 times:

Yes, the whole DHL topic has been in all newspapers and discussed about on every TV station in Belgium for the past few weeks. It's becoming quite hilaric actually and a typical example of Belgian political inefficiency.

I wouldn't be surprised if DHL already made their decision to move most of their ops away from BRU a long time ago, no matter what they say in front of the camera.

I hope the best for the employees, but these surrounders of BRU are giving the politicians quite some nightmares. By surrounders, I do not only mean those living within 2km or so, but also those living away about 10 km away from BRU. It's quite horrible how all these action groups can almost block every single government here in Belgium (we do have quite some governments as a matter of fact).

My personal prediction: the Federal, Flemish and Brussels governments keep on discussion the next (few) week(s), way beyond any possible deadline and without making one inch of progress, and all of a sudden DHL makes a statement that they will move their European hub away from BRU.

Should this happen, I hope all those action groups rest their cases, feel good about themselves and who knows, maybe they'll start a discussion about freight trains or so?

Ivan



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14139 posts, RR: 63
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1952 times:

DHL have a major hub in CGN (At night the ramp is more or less divided between UPS, who´ve got their European hub there, and DHL). There have been rumours for a long time about DHL expanding, and it looks as if something is starting. Currently the old LSG catering building is being torn down. There is talk that, together with the removal of the unused transit terminal, the Deutsche Post building and the fueling company office buildings, DHL creates the space to build a new, enlarged sorting hub, similar to what UPS is currently building.

Jan


User currently offlineTs-ior From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3492 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1797 times:


What about the FedEx presence in Europe ? Where's their EU hub situated ?


User currently onlineClipper002 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 680 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1768 times:

GARUDROD
By flying as WO on behalf of Menlo, we can carry CAT A miltary cargo.

Ed



Ed
User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14139 posts, RR: 63
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1705 times:

Tsi-Or,


The European hub of Fedex is in CDG.

UPs has main hubs in Louisville, Kentucky (SDF) USA; Ontario, California; Miami, Florida; Clark Airfield, Philippines and Cologne, Germany, plus plenty of regional hubs.

Jan


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