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TAM Flights To Santiago And Lima  
User currently offlineEMB195ER From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 254 posts, RR: 8
Posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3535 times:

I just read in a Brazilian newspaper that TAM will start in November a daily flight to Santiago do Chile and a flight to Lima Peru early next year.

Here is the source (Portuguese - sorry guys)

http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/folha/dinheiro/ult91u89513.shtml

According to the article the flight to SCL will depart from GIG, although they don't say anything about it, I think it will make an stop in S?o Paulo.

Hugs,

EMB195ER

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User currently offlineDBCooper From Brazil, joined Jun 2004, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3464 times:

Yes, GRU-SCL will originate/terminate in GIG.

Morning departure from Brazil, mid-afternoon from SCL.


- DBC


User currently offlineTBCITDG From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 921 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3362 times:

Will this then become the first route where they will compete head to head with LA, or are there other routes where they already compete??


User currently offlineNickofatlanta From Australia, joined May 2000, 1488 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3358 times:

First route that they will be competing directly with LA. TAM currenttly only flies domestically within Brazil and internationally to CDG, EZE and MIA.

User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7632 posts, RR: 42
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3336 times:

They might compete with LA through their affiliate Transportes Aéreos del Mercosur (TAM Paraguay) in ASU-SCL if such route exists.

I think it is great news that JJ is expanding in the region. JJ is an excellent airline and I am sure many passengers will be happy to fly them to/from LIM and SCL. I hope JJ flies one day to MEX or, at least, to CUN. Maybe if RG disappears (I do not wish RG to disappear, I am just saying).



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineEMB195ER From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 254 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3331 times:

Eddie,

TAM Mercosur do not compete with LA in the route ASU-SCL.

TAM Mercosur flies 4 times a week from ASU to SCL with their F100.

Hugs



User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7632 posts, RR: 42
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3329 times:

Thanks for the correction EMB195ER, I appreciate it. By the way, I see this is only your 31st posting, so welcome (albeit a bit late) to a.net! I hope (and I am sure) that you will enjoy reading the threads, posting replies and looking at the pictures as much as I have since I joined last November. Bemvindo e até logo!


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3270 times:

Hullo you all.

I am out of all this for some time as my twins were born last week...imagine the amount of hours not sleeped!!!

Just to complete the information, both SCL and LIM will be operated with A320.

Cherrs,


User currently offlineEMB195ER From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 254 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3256 times:

JJMNGR,

Firs of all, CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!

I remember once you said SCL would have two daily flights, where one of them would be via ASU.

Is that true??

What would be next destinations for TAM in LA?

Uruguay
Colombia
Bolovia
Venezuela

I think Central America should also be considered, after all Copa will be starting a second flight in 2005.

Hugs,


User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3216 times:

EMB195ER,

Thanks a lot for your compliments!!!

Yes, the idea is to have 02 flights a day but will start with just one flight. This is going to be GIG/GRU/SCL/GRU/GIG.
The other would be GRU/ASU/SCL operating under PZ flag.

To MVD we operated in the past but for a short period. There is not too much traffic to justify RG, PU and JJ...

There are also plans to fly to CCS uisng a PZ 5th freedom. The route would be ASU/GRU/CCS/GRU/ASU. But nothing already decided.

To Bolivia and Colombia, no plans.

My best regards,



User currently offlineEMB195ER From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 254 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3172 times:

JJMNGR,

You are wellcome!

But in that case, would PZ start operating A320?? Or would it have a plane changing in GRU?

Hugs,



User currently offlineTBCITDG From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 921 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3158 times:

JJ Congrats!!!
Out of curiosity, has the US ever been considered? Or even Europe. I know little about TAM aside that they are a great airline.
I am wondering whether they will code share with Varig?


User currently offlineAndahuailas From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3156 times:

I thought that all frecuencies GRU-LIM were used by RG under the current bilateral agreement. Will they fly nonstop from GRU ?, can anyone confirm ?

User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2411 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3145 times:

Good news for both Chile and Brazil!!!

Eddie: Just a note: SCL-ASU is actually codeshared by LA and PZ, since LA dropped the formes UC rights to ASU.

As for the competition, I think an A320 - 7x won't be a truly competition for RG and LA ofering more frequencies, widebodies and PTVs. Just a complement.



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User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3135 times:

I think Central America should also be considered, after all Copa will be starting a second flight in 2005.

Copa has well-stablished an admirable connection system with their "Hub of the Americas" in Panama City, which manages to efficiently feed many flights to deep South America. TAM would have to basically work on the O&D that this route may have, which probably doesn't guarantee the service.

To Bolivia and Colombia, no plans.

I believe that the market is pretty well served by both Avianca and Varig with direct flights from BOG to GRU and GIG. A third operator, if the Brasilian locals approve it, wouldn't be accepted by our national authorities anyways.


SOUTHAMERICA




User currently offlineEMB195ER From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 254 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3101 times:

SHOUTHAMERICA,

What I don't understand is why nobody, before COPA, had the idea to create direct flights to Central America.

Everyone in Brazil (and perhaps Uruguay, Argentina and Paraguay) should fly first to MIA then to Central America. It was, at least, ridiculous.

Hugs,

EMB195ER


User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3082 times:

EMB195ER,

What I don't understand is why nobody, before COPA, had the idea to create direct flights to Central America.

Perhaps there isn't enough O&D demand/traffic to guarantee a sole dedicate service in that area, specifically to Panama City. It works for COPA because, apart from nabbing the O&D that there might be, they also have plenty of feeder flights comming from all over their route network.

Personally, I've heard several people who have opted to fly to cities such as Buenos Aires and Sao Paulo via Panama City with COPA, over Avianca via Bogota. In many occasions, Copa offers better fares, and connection times are extremely convenient; and be sure that this pattern reflects itself on most of their route structure, hence their succesful Hub Of The Americas product.

Right now, Copa is focusing on flying twice daily to most of their destinations (obviously including EZE and GRU, which are among their top performers) in order to allow the optimization of their Hub Of The Americas. Be sure that their upcomming ERJs will help a lot in this process.

Cheers.  Smile


SOUTHAMERICA


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7632 posts, RR: 42
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3081 times:

CM is a very competitive carrier in terms of fares that has been smart enough to take advantage of the excellent location of PTY for north-south connections. As Southamerica mentions, their schedule has been carefully designed so as to make connections smooth. You will hear from a lot of people who fly from MEX to South American cities like SCL, EZE or GRU via PTY with CM because service is good and the fares are lower than LA, MX, AM or RG.


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2411 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3060 times:

EMB: UC started direct service South - Central America in the early 90s: Punta Cana, Kingston, Havana, Guatemala, Salvador, San Jose, etc

Eddie: I agree about the great strategy followed by CM. It's amazing to see those 737700 full of Chileans, regardless the 3:00 a.m departure! But I don't see their competitive advantage in price, not that cheaper than LAN. For me, their more remarkable advantage is the daily service: for instance, LAN flies to HAV, PUJ and CUN only 3x, so you have to adjust your schedule to these days only. CM offers more cities and more days.
Although CM and TA are very competitive in the routes SCL-USA

)(



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User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3042 times:

EMB195ER,

The second flight to SCL is going to be all trip operated with an A320. No F100 for this flight. What is not cleared yet, is the negotiation of an A320 for PZ to use. All aircrafts are being very busy as all JJ routes are having very good demand. Seems the domestic flights in code-share with RG are near to the end so TAM will need as much A320 as posssible. Some other 10 are on order to Airbus.

TBCITDG,

TAM already has 02 daily flights to US, using A332. MIA is the gateway. To Europe, TAM operates 10 x a week to CDG using also A332. Also some 04 flights a day to EZE with A320. No code-share with RG on international flights (exeption is EZE...). To MIA there is a code-share with AA and to CDG a code-share with AF (near to end).
Also on domestic routes, the code-share with RG seems will not continue in 2005.

Andahuailas,

Yes, the flights to LIM are going to be non-stop service using A320.

Arcano,

I am on vacation due to the born of my twins and will return to work on the 27th...as the flights are expected to start on 05th NOV, there is a possibility that I have to travel to SCL some days before to stay there at the time of arrival of the first flight, or I will be on board first flight. I will let you know in order you can pay me a pisco!!!

Cheers you all.


User currently offlineNickofatlanta From Australia, joined May 2000, 1488 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3015 times:

JJMNGR -
Why is the AF code-share ending? Will this result in the end of the AF/KL frequent flyer relationships?

Thanks!


User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2411 posts, RR: 23
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3007 times:

You had twins?!?!?!?! Congratulations! Well, after all there will be a good reason for cheers with Pisco Sour! Email me to coordinate dates. I don't expect to be out of Santiago those days...(but could happen depending on my November schedule).

Regards,

)(



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User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2968 times:

Nickofatlanta,

I really don´t know the reasons and what I wrote about this are rumors yet. I do not participate directly on these negotiations as these negotiations refers only to passengers and manage the hole cargo network, which is not part of any deal.

Arcano,

Yes, 02 little princess!!! Thanks for the compliments. I will let you know about my trip.

Cheers,



User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2881 times:

Hi, guys,

Arcano:

It is decided: AF and TAM mutual milleage accrual and codeshare operation on the routes between Brazil and France have finished. I don't think it is because of the AF/KLM relationship, since TAM also has a codeshare agreement with KLM on the route GRU-GIG and GRU-EZE. To be honest, I don't know what is the reason behind this decision. Maybe TAM is about to join a global alliance - it has strong cooperation with AA, so it would make sense to join Oneworld? Just speculation...btw, it is more than time for TAM to join a global alliance, since RG is part of Star Alliance...

Southamerica:

Indeed, COPA has daily flights from Panama City to Sao Paulo. From January it will add another 5 flights, making 12 flights a week, and from June/05 the service will increase to 14 flights a week (day and night services). Reports show that COPA flights to GRU have a 80% load factor, and excellent results on the business class - off course, COPA provides the best connections from GRU to Central America, as otherwise you would have to fly to MIA! COPA is also expanding its operations to EZE.

EMB195ER:

Because of more intense competition from TAM in South American routes (ref. TAM due to start services to SCL, LIM and possibly CCS), RG is considerably improving its services to LIM and CCS. RG started daily services with 757-200 on these routes, and 4 more 757-200 are to be received early in 2005.
But I doubt RG can ever compete with TAM...

JJMNGR:

I am not surprised that TAM will suspend its codeshare operations with RG! It will put even more pressure on RG, and TAM should avoid any association of its excellent image and reputation with RG!

Question:

Anyone knows why RG reintroduced a MD-11 on the flights AMS/CDG-GRU/POA; it has been using a brand new 777 on this route. Also read reports that the 777 on the route NYC-GRU/GIG has also been replaced by a MD-11.
I am very disappointed since I fly AMS-GRU quite frequently...KLM uses a 777 on this route since May.



User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7632 posts, RR: 42
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2868 times:

It is very strange that the JJ-RG codeshare will end. I completely agree that JJ does not need the codeshare as much as RG does and that perhaps JJ is doing the right thing as Hardiwv mentions. What surprises me is the fact that this is so abrupt. The announcement that the two companies were going to enter into a very extensive codeshare agreement and were planning to form a jointly owned company to take over all of the back-room activities came less than one year ago. It is interesting how things change so rapidly in the aviation industry, especially in Latin America. Hopefully Hardiwv or any of our Brazilian friends could provide some insights and ideas in connection with this subject.

I also think that it is surprising that the AF/JJ partnership is ending. I think it was a good deal for JJ, although of course I could be wrong. It will be very interesting to see if JJ moves closer to oneworld now that the AF codeshare is over. Too bad because JJ would have been an awesome addition to SkyTeam, which is my favorite alliance.

Last but not least, welcome Hardiwv to the forums. I look forward to reading more of your interesting and knowledgeable comments and I trust that you will enjoy posting as much as I have since I joined one year ago. Welcome!



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
25 JJMNGR : It is now official! JJ8026/JJ8027 will start 02DEC04!!! Arcano, I won´t wait until inaugural flights starts as I have to go to SCL in order to take a
26 Post contains images Hardiwv : JJMNGR: Question: Do you know whether TAM is considering any global alliance? If it wants to further expand its international network it needs to join
27 Arcano : I'll be in Buenos Aires 30/10 - 1/11, so let me know! We'll have a Pisco Sour and I'll give you my resume. JJ and Arcano will defeat LAN...
28 EMB195ER : Hardi, I know that you asked this question to JMNGR, but I will add a comment that I read some time ago from TAM's CEO Marco Bologna. He says that a m
29 Post contains images Hardiwv : EMB195ER: Thanks for your reply! Let us not forget that TAM already has a solid (and consolidated!) position in the Brazilian domestic market, it is t
30 EMB195ER : Hardiwv, I do agree with you when you say TAM needs to be part part of a global alliance. However, we can not forget the way things work in TAM. Excep
31 Hardiwv : EMB195ER: Good point and agree with you! TAM indeed has this "step-by-step" strategy, and is very slow in taking decisions. But I have the feeling tha
32 DBCooper : I understood that the AF/JJ codeshare was on the rocks because of JJ's 2nd GRU-CDG frequency (which is actually 3 days/week). Apparently AF was none t
33 EMB195ER : DBCooper, Well, the situation could be even worse, because TAM request 7 frequencies and was given only 3, while RG got other 4 to fly from GIG to CDG
34 Hardiwv : EMB195ER: Indeed, in addition to AF's daily flights to GRU, AF also has direct and daily flights CDG-GIG, and from November AF will increase capacity
35 EMB195ER : Hardi, I think this is the problem with the codeshare between AF and JJ. While RG and JJ have 21 flights per week to CDG, AF has "only" 14 flights to
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