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AA To End JFK-LGB  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33177 posts, RR: 71
Posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6806 times:

No surprise here.

American Airlines will end double-daily New York City/JFK-Long Beach service on 01Nov04. The flights are no longer bookable on aa.com.


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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6729 times:

Any idea where American's Long Beach slots are going, be it jetBlue or somebody else?


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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26004 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6682 times:

I would guess either AA will add more DFW flights or give nonstop LGB-ORD a try again.
Either way both routes have no competition from LGB.




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User currently offlineKKMolokai From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 760 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6487 times:

Yes, I was told this in a meeting at HDQ a few days ago, that AA is ending their LGB-JFK flights. It was mentioned that AA will increase the number of LAX-JFK flights to compensate, and that AA is going to concentrate their trans-con flights from LAX.



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User currently offlineLUV4JFK From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6423 times:

Once again JetBlue knocks American off another route out of JFK. At this point, American will havs as many flights out of JFK domestically as United, which United has 12, 6 to LAX and 6 to SFO, not including 7 Express flights to IAD. American just needs to stick with business trans-con and international services from JFK because every time they try to put up a good fight with JetBlue out of JFK, they always end up losing.

After all, it is JetBlue's hub, not American's. American's growth at JFK has been at the minus side the past couple of years because of you know who and it will continue to decline slowly but surely. I'm sure the PHX route will be gone soon as well. I'm surprised it's staying as long as it is now.

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User currently offlineAAR90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6404 times:

American just needs to stick with business trans-con and international services from JFK...

That's the way it has been for AA at JFK since I was hired 17+ years ago. Everytime AA has tried to expand its JFK offerings (many attempts in many markets) it ends up primarily drawing its own JFK traffic away from already established and successful JFK flights.





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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33177 posts, RR: 71
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6353 times:

At this point, American will havs as many flights out of JFK domestically as United, which United has 12, 6 to LAX and 6 to SFO, not including 7 Express flights to IAD.

Really? How. American has 11 daily non-stops on JFK-LAX, five on JFK-SFO, and six each on JFK-MIA and JFK-SJU. That alone out numbers UA on domestic services. And let's not even get started on the other routes...RDU, STI, SDQ, PAP, BGI, SJC, SAN...



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User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26691 posts, RR: 75
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6280 times:

As far as the LGB slots go, they automatically revert to B6. As part of the agreement when AA (and then AS) whined about B6's deal at LGB, they agreed that B6 would take any slot that got dropped. This is not too much of a surprise given their new ad campaign that slams LGB as different from Los Angeles. I just wonder what flights B6 will launch with 2 more slots.


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User currently offlineFA4B6 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6244 times:

As far as the LGB slots go, they automatically revert to B6. As part of the agreement when AA (and then AS) whined about B6's deal at LGB, they agreed that B6 would take any slot that got dropped. This is not too much of a surprise given their new ad campaign that slams LGB as different from Los Angeles. I just wonder what flights B6 will launch with 2 more slots.

Unless they dont use them elsewhere, right? They could add more frequency to DFW and not let go of the slots they took from us if they wanted.


User currently offlineLUV4JFK From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6246 times:

And let's not get started on the other routes...RDU, STI, SDQ, PAP, BGI, SJC, SAN...

I think you missed my statement. I said domestically which rules out STI, SDQ, PAP, & BGI. This statement also includes sarcasm as to the fact that American would have as little service as United does into JFK. I know AA would never reach UA's levels unless the end is near. The point I'm making is that they are slashing service out of JFK at a high rate. SNA is already gone, with LGB & PHX next. The question is what city is next to go.

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User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6193 times:

What's sort of funny about AA's JFK-LGB service is that it was both started and ended because of B6. Were it not for B6's service, AA would never have started the flights in the first place.


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User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6179 times:

Very true PROSA...just another attempt to kill competetion. Fortunately for B6..AA doesn't have luxury of flying unprofitable routes anymore...everyone needs to be cost concious.

It would be great if B6 added LGB-PHX flights. I think they would do very well. PHX-LAX area is a HUGE market.


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6060 times:

It would be great if B6 added LGB-PHX flights.

...then you're in luck, those flights began today  Laugh out loud


User currently offlineLGB Photos From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6024 times:

Acutally there are 3 slots at LGB not being used since we dropped our 224 JFK flight. AA will probably not do anything with those slots for a couple of months. They have 6 months to use them or they will loose them. We have not knocked AA off another JFK route, AA is just shifting attention towards DFW since DL is going down to 31 flights a day there by Jan 31.

As a side note, we will be having 71+ daily flights from NY to FL this winter.


User currently offlineFlairport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6020 times:

My guesses would be another LGB-FLL and maybe adding LGB-TPA/MCO...maybe Phoenix.

User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3756 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5861 times:

Is HP the major airline operating most PHX-LAX flights?

User currently offlineLUV4JFK From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5830 times:

Richardw,
I think that crown goes to Southwest.

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User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26691 posts, RR: 75
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5511 times:

WN and HP compete on the LAX-PHX route, UA also flies it with Express RJs (not nearly as profitably).

According the the B6 website, they don't fly LGB-PHX, and they probably wont. I bet they will increase frequencies to LAS, as that is the main thing they cut when they had their slots stolen



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User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3010 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5496 times:

If they get those two additional slots, I doubt they'll go to PHX, LAS, or anything like that. Definitely more transcons...those slots are golden, and I'm sure they'd rather put them on additional frequencies instead of giving them to short-hop routes.

Their total slotage would be 24. During the summer, I would assume they'd offer:

4x IAD
9x JFK
3x BOS
5x OAK
2x LAS
1x SLC

Just a guess, which I think is realistic. We know that JetBlue concentrates on transcons, and their LGB ones are extremely profitable for them.

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User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2414 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5468 times:


Is HP the major airline operating most PHX-LAX flights?


Both HP and WN dominate that route.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33177 posts, RR: 71
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5484 times:

think you missed my statement. I said domestically which rules out STI, SDQ, PAP, & BGI. This statement also includes sarcasm as to the fact that American would have as little service as United does into JFK.

UA's domestic schedule out of JFK:
IAD 7x
LAX 6x
SFO 6x

AA's domestic schedule out of JFK:
BOS 5x
DCA 3x
DFW 3x
LAX 11x
MIA 6x
RDU 4x
SEA 1x
SFO 5x
SJC 1x
SJU 7x
STT 1x





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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6783 posts, RR: 17
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5254 times:

Is there some reason why AA/AE offers N/S JFK-RDU and not to it's hubs at STL and ORD?


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33177 posts, RR: 71
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4808 times:

Is there some reason why AA/AE offers N/S JFK-RDU and not to it's hubs at STL and ORD?

International connections. O'Hare doesn't need it, since they have the international flights non-stop or via Miami. St. Louis can connect through O'Hare and Miami.

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User currently offlineLUV4JFK From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4751 times:

I know AA would never reach UA's levels unless the end is near.

I guess that part was missed. Sarcasm would also be like me saying Delta would only has 5 mainline flights a day to CVG if it wasn't for Comair. We all know that isn't true.

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User currently offlineLemonkitty From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 130 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4370 times:
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25 FA4B6 : So does anyone have any word on what B6 intends on doing with those extra slots? I know they want to start LGB-DEN, but because of the lack of slots,
26 JetBluefan1 : I know they want to start LGB-DEN, I actually heard the opposite. I know the mgmt was looking at the route, and after crunching the numbers, they foun
27 FA4B6 : You can actually listen to David Neeleman talking about it in one of the conferences at jetblue.com. hmmm which one conference on jetblue.com? Thats w
28 JetBluefan1 : FA4B6, It was either 4Q 03 or 1Q 04...I'm not sure which one, but I'm positive it's in one of the conferences. JetBluefan1
29 Dantiger : America West seems to dominate the PHX-LAX and LGB route with PHX their hub. I would love to see B6 start service from LGB to Mexico.
30 Aa777jr : MAH4546, how are you so knowledgable about AA, do you work for them? Just curious and thanks for all the information I've got from you in regards to m
31 B6FA4ever : Dantiger, don't expect us to start flying LGB-mexico (let alone any place that is international. LGB doesn't have any kind of customs/immigration depa
32 Ssides : What aircraft was AA using on the JFK-LGB flights?
33 B6FA4ever : Ssides, AA was using B757's between JFK-LGB and Super 80's on DFW-LGB. ~B6FA4ever
34 JetMARC : LGB sees the occasional AA B738 for DFW.
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