Bicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2933 times:
Spanair briefly flew the Dulles-Madrid route in the late 90s/early 2000s. I don't know exactly when they started and stopped the flight but I remember seeing the aircraft at Dulles. If the pleasure travel, high yield passengers and cargo could make money, I'm sure either United or Spanair would restart the route.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2911 times:
UA served Madrid from IAD with a 763 for several years but later cut the route due to low yeilds. UA then offered code-share service with Spanair on the IAD-MAD route; the route was again flown with a 763 but the Spanair aircraft had a different (more charter-like configuration) and UA passengers were less than impressed. The Spanair service did not last very long, and the route was dropped altogether.
Routes from the US to Southern European destinations (ie, Portugal, Spain, Italy, Greece) can be difficult, the routes are quite seasonal and there is far less business/premium/full fare on these routes.....in this case, routes to northern European capitals (such as Paris, Frankfurt, Brussels) are more interesting and more profitable for the airlines. That being said, UA should have been able to make the IAD-MAD flight work, IAD is a good gateway for services to Europe especially backed up by the UA hub at that airport.
SFOintern From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 770 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (10 years 5 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1993 times:
Why is there a relative dearth of American carriers going to Spain? The last time I went to Barcelona, I flew TWA, but as we all know, that's now kaput. I'd think Spain's a great vacation spot as well as a pretty important commercial and political spot.
NZblue From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 638 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (10 years 5 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1925 times:
United also flew IAD-MXP-FCO-MXP-IAD
I do believe that the routing was (at least towards the end of FCO service) IAD-FCO-MXP-IAD. I clearly remember flying United to FCO (on a 763) and I remember we were able to get to Rome non-stop from Dulles, but the return was via MXP.
I really, really wish UA would reinstate service to Italy. If SO MANY of the other major US carriers can make Italy work for them, why couldn't United? Perhaps someday they'll return.
It's an entirely different kind of flying; all together.
StevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 5 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1900 times:
UA operated #910/#911 between IAD and MAD. I think it was discontinued around 9/11, but maybe someone else can confirm the actual date range.
I did fly through UA's codeshare with SpanAir, in July 2001. I was impressed with the cabin on the flight over, very clean, updated, and the service was great. The plane coming home was older, and the flight overall was not as good as the flight to MAD. About an hour before I landed in IAD, we flew over NYC, and I saw the WTC from FL370.
United is no longer in a position to add any flight for prestige reasons, and is why we haven't seen resumption of service using UA equipment. If anything, it will continue to be via codeshare. The events at US may change things, i.e. SpanAir may consider operating the flight again, and revenue-sharing with UA.
ContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (10 years 5 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1884 times:
United's IAD-MAD route was axed long, long before 9/11. Around 1994. It was part of a series of routes scrapped out of IAD several years after UA began transatlantic service. Others that were dropped were IAD-GLA and the CDG-ATH, CDG-GVA, and CDG-ZRH extensions of its SFO/LAX/IAD/ORD to CDG tags.