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User currently onlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2989 times:

Hello

I have this ongoing question in my mind.

Why does United not fly to Madrid?

I find it would be a good market to fly competing against United and Delta as well as Iberia from ORD.

United could fly the route from IAD,JFK,LAX,or ORD.

I think that this would be a good idea, they could opperate with the 767/777.

They could start in 2005.


No Vueling No Party
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User currently offlineAMS From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1691 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2963 times:

United Airlines has flown to Madrid in the 90's from Washington Dulles Airport with 763 aircraft. UA pulled out MAD, since the IAD-MAD afther a while was not profitable anymore.

Regards,
AMS


User currently onlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2947 times:

Hey

i find that strange that i cudnt find a photo of UA at Madrid.



No Vueling No Party
User currently offlineAzul320 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 281 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2933 times:

United's customers can code-share on US Airways to Madrid via PHL


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User currently offlineIberia340600 From Spain, joined Oct 2003, 804 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2905 times:

Yeah..I love US Airways flight out of PHL...its US airways....a.k.a. Spanair..a.k.a. United Airlines.....its a triple coded flight!!!


Visca Barça!!
User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2822 times:

Spanair briefly flew the Dulles-Madrid route in the late 90s/early 2000s. I don't know exactly when they started and stopped the flight but I remember seeing the aircraft at Dulles. If the pleasure travel, high yield passengers and cargo could make money, I'm sure either United or Spanair would restart the route.

User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2800 times:

UA served Madrid from IAD with a 763 for several years but later cut the route due to low yeilds. UA then offered code-share service with Spanair on the IAD-MAD route; the route was again flown with a 763 but the Spanair aircraft had a different (more charter-like configuration) and UA passengers were less than impressed. The Spanair service did not last very long, and the route was dropped altogether.

Routes from the US to Southern European destinations (ie, Portugal, Spain, Italy, Greece) can be difficult, the routes are quite seasonal and there is far less business/premium/full fare on these routes.....in this case, routes to northern European capitals (such as Paris, Frankfurt, Brussels) are more interesting and more profitable for the airlines. That being said, UA should have been able to make the IAD-MAD flight work, IAD is a good gateway for services to Europe especially backed up by the UA hub at that airport.


User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2601 times:

There is no market for UA to make a profit in MAD with AA and Iberia flying there.

AA777jr


User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2595 times:

AA777jr,
dont forget DL,US



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User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2598 times:

yes yes, DL and US also have flights into MAD, from ATL and PHL respectively.

AA777jr


User currently offlinePdpsol From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1116 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2569 times:

And... don't forget CO's daily EWR-MAD flight, operating the 772ER. I've flown this route on Business First on several occassions and have been very satisfied with CO's service.

User currently offline767-332ER From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2414 times:


Let's not forget that DL also flies from JFK and it's currently the only american airline flying to Barcelona.
Regards



Twinjets...if one fails, work the other one twice as hard!!!
User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2399 times:

With TAP soon to join the Star Alliance, maybe UA or TAP will offer flights, ORD to LIS and IAD to LIS. TAP has a much better network with better connecting opportunities than does Spanair.

User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2184 times:

United did fly fly IAD to MAD with a 763. The Spanair flight operated with a 763. United flew the route briefly, in 1992/3 with a 762 and occasionally, a 747-100/200.

United also flew IAD-MXP-FCO-MXP-IAD with a mix of 762/741/742 and eventually dropped the MXP-FCO tag and kept IAD-MXP with 763 and 777 until November 2003, when the route was axed.

ContinentalEWR


User currently offlineAlitaliaORD From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1925 times:

Chicago to Lisbon? :-( dont count on it


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User currently offlineSFOintern From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 770 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1882 times:

Why is there a relative dearth of American carriers going to Spain? The last time I went to Barcelona, I flew TWA, but as we all know, that's now kaput. I'd think Spain's a great vacation spot as well as a pretty important commercial and political spot.

User currently offlineNZblue From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 638 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1814 times:

United also flew IAD-MXP-FCO-MXP-IAD

I do believe that the routing was (at least towards the end of FCO service) IAD-FCO-MXP-IAD. I clearly remember flying United to FCO (on a 763) and I remember we were able to get to Rome non-stop from Dulles, but the return was via MXP.

I really, really wish UA would reinstate service to Italy. If SO MANY of the other major US carriers can make Italy work for them, why couldn't United? Perhaps someday they'll return.

Cheers,

NZblue



It's an entirely different kind of flying; all together.
User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1789 times:

UA operated #910/#911 between IAD and MAD. I think it was discontinued around 9/11, but maybe someone else can confirm the actual date range.

I did fly through UA's codeshare with SpanAir, in July 2001. I was impressed with the cabin on the flight over, very clean, updated, and the service was great. The plane coming home was older, and the flight overall was not as good as the flight to MAD. About an hour before I landed in IAD, we flew over NYC, and I saw the WTC from FL370.

United is no longer in a position to add any flight for prestige reasons, and is why we haven't seen resumption of service using UA equipment. If anything, it will continue to be via codeshare. The events at US may change things, i.e. SpanAir may consider operating the flight again, and revenue-sharing with UA.


User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1773 times:

United's IAD-MAD route was axed long, long before 9/11. Around 1994. It was part of a series of routes scrapped out of IAD several years after UA began transatlantic service. Others that were dropped were IAD-GLA and the CDG-ATH, CDG-GVA, and CDG-ZRH extensions of its SFO/LAX/IAD/ORD to CDG tags.

User currently offlineJopavon From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 304 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1609 times:

I flew IAD-MAD in the summer of 94. They dropped it a year later.

Regarding JK flying the route, they axed the flight soon after 9/11 when they returned all their 767s.



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