Westindian425 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1027 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6112 times:
Well, well!! Looks like Southwest has succesfully booted AA out of ISP!! I certainly did not see that one coming. This looks like that old cliché "You may have won the battle, but you won't win the war".
Incidentally, AA did have MD-80 service to ORD at one time. The also had service to Florida (back when Carnival Airlines existed).
Interesting development indeed.
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Kim777fan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 510 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5782 times:
There's still NWA connecting service available through MSP which has a MUCH nicer terminal anyway. Not to mention that HP is starting service from PHX starting in December, so not exactly a total loss for FSD.
Ramerinianair From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1489 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5288 times:
This does really suck, wait until morning here in NY when others hear. That;s horrible, it's really looking like WN town in ISP. I always take DL,CO and their partners but I'de fly AA before WN. They downgraded the ISP-BOS route to a 135 instead of a 140 last spring. I just looked ast jetnet and the route to ISP isn't that empty! The flights are pretty full for the next two weeks. The week day flights are 27 seats take 2 weeks away. I don't believe that it can be a yield problem. I know many people that are business orientated that have to go to Boston and Providence. Dejana trucking constantly uses AE to jump to BOS and PVR via BOS, they have 2 show rooms up there.
SHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5177 times:
This makes no sense...it's not even like Southwest is competing with American on the only route AA flew (ISP-BOS)...this leaves, among the legacies, ASA (3x CRJ) to Atlanta, Comair (3x CRJ) to Cincinnati, COXJ (2x ER4) to Cleveland, COCX-Commutair (4x BE1) to Albany, USX-Piedmont (4x DH8) to Philadelphia, and USX-Colgan (2x BE1) to Albany...of course, Southwest flies quite a few flights (all of the following, with 737-X00's, of course): 9x Baltimore, 3x Chicago-Midway, 3x Fort Lauderdale, 1x Las Vegas, 3x Nashville, 3x Orlando, 2x Tampa, and 2x West Palm Beach...not to say that I'm expecting 747's to JFK, but I would think that, at the very least, NWAK-Mesaba to DTW, UAX-Shuttle America to IAD, and possibly UAX-AWAC to ORD could be supported...
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Padcrasher From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4988 times:
AA was relying on BOS-ISP traffic. BOS is not a good connector for AA going west. Yes they do have onward flights from BOS but CLE and CVG are better geographically located hubs for this business. I'm suprised about this. US and DL had lots of frequencies at one time with small props. Some carrier should come in a give it ago. Didn't WN pull out of ISP-PVD?
Milesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2077 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4876 times:
AA cannot make money flying those little airplanes when WN sets the fare.
AA began ORD-ISP service in 1971 with 727-023's. FSD was served by OZ and later WA Transworld Airlines (USA)">TW from STL with DC-9's, and by OZ from ORD with DC-9's, before operations were concentrated in STL. UA later served FSD from ORD with mainline equipment. Pulling out of Sioux Falls is a sign that the industry is going to through a rational, rationalization process. From FSD, via MSP on NW, on on UA via ORD, one can get to almost any destination that one could reach via ORD on AA. How much competition does FSD need? Perhaps Delta will return there, and have flights from CVG. WA was the major carrier west and to MSP prior to deregulation from FSD.
IslipWN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4831 times:
Wow, this really sucks. ISP is losing all of its airlines. I find it very interesting that there were more airlines at ISP in the early 90's rather than 2004. ISP is going to be some dinky airport now.
Qqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2332 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4834 times:
According to Jetwire, the daily employee newsletter, AE is discontinuing BOS-ISP for two reasons. One, BOS is the only destination now served by AA/AE from ISP and, even though the flights may be full, there is not enough traffic to make the service viable. Second, and probably the biggest reason is, AE needed aircraft to operate BOS-STL. Apprently American Connection is losing that route and AE is taking it on. That is also why BOS-PHL is ending. They needed the aircraft elsewhere.
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