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User currently offlineFLYSSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7415 posts, RR: 57
Posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 16471 times:

Air France's fleet of B777-300ER is growing...

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The 4th aircraft F-GSQD was delivered in September.
F-GSQE will be delivered this month, QF in November and QG in December, so 7 a/c (on a total order of 16) will be already in service at the end of this year. 3 more a/c are scheduled to join the fleet between Jan. and April 2005.

After NRT, the B773ER should serve SIN, HKG, PVG, IAD, JFK, LAX, IAH in a near future.

The first figures after 4 months of operations show and excellent reliability of the a/c and better performances than what was announced by the manyfacturer.
"The results are above the most optmistic expectations" declared AF's Managers.

From its home base CDG, the B777ER can fly nonstop with a full load to all the destinations served by AF (except PPT).

The a/c have a comfortable 3 class configuration with 8P/68J/235Y

First Class "l'Espace Premère" :

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Business Class "l'Espace Affaires" :

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Economy Class "Tempo" :

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Since September 10th, the first B747-400 (F-GITA) reconfigured for the Carrebean/Indian Ocean network is in service.

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The aircraft is configured with 17 Business "Espace Affaire" in the "nose" - 400 "Vacances" Class on the rest of the main deck, and 57 "Alizée Class" (Premium Economy) at the upper Deck.

They will progressively replace the 4 remaining B743 and 4 B742 still in service.
The retirement of this type should come earlier than scheduled, due to the ever increasing price of oil.

The other configuration for regular Long-haul destination of the B744 is 40 "Espace Affaires" (from the "nose" to doors 2) and 393 Economy "Tempo".

B744 F-GITJ with the new config.:

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The 3rd A319-ER (owned - 4th in use) will be delivered within the next few days. F-GRXI will join F-GXRG / XH and F-GTAS (leased from Aero Service) on the DEDICATE services from CDG to DOH, SSG, PNR, TAS, KWI.


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The opening of KIS (Kish Island - Iran) is postponed as Air France is still in negiciation with the Iranian administration for traffic rights to this destination and for additional freqencies to THR.



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User currently offlineEuropean From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 16248 times:

Hi Flyssc

Is there any chance of Air France ordering more A318,19,20,21's?
How many of the above aircraft are still on order?

Thanks

Euro


User currently offlineFLYSSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7415 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 16215 times:

Concerning the A318, 15 are on order and 6 are already in service.

21 B735 are still in service but progressively retired and replaced by A318/A319. There shouldn't be anymore Boeing in the AF's Short/Medium Haul fleet by the end of 2006, maybe sooner.
But AF should replace them by more A319, rather than A318.

More A319-ER/LR will be ordered for the DEDICATE services as this product is already profitable just after few months of existence, and this concept will be extended to other destinations.

The A321 is not very popular with AF, as the airline made the choice of "Frequencies" against "big capacity" and AF doesn't face any "slot" restriction at CDG for the moment, so the fleet of A321 should not grow that much in a next future...unless :

A new project of using the A321 as a Medium/Long haul a/c, with a "REAL" Business class (like on the A319-ER) is under studies but we don't have a lot of informations yet concerning this.


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User currently offlineTs-ior From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3488 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 16198 times:


Whatever AF makes, i always want to classify this airline below its German and British competitors !!! Sorry !!!


User currently offlineEuropean From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 16182 times:

Hi Flyssc

Thanks for replying
What is the Dedicated service

Thanks

Euro


User currently offlineFluorine From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2004, 55 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 16157 times:

What is the range of A319ER/LR?

Thanks


User currently offlineFLYSSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7415 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 16146 times:

European,

The "DEDICATE" service was launched last spring.

The idea was initially to offer Nonstop flights from CDG to "Oil Business" destinations such as PNR (Pointe Noire - Congo), SSG (Malabo - Equatorial Guinea), TAS (Tashkent), KWI, DOH. But as the traffic (very lucrative) doesn't justify the use of a "normal" long-haul airliner, the service is operated by some A319-ER, configured like a long-haul airliner with 28 Business Class and 54 Economy.

Due to their success, some destinations like KWI could be soon served with a regular A332, and new destinations are be added to the network : Atyrau (Kazakhstan), Kish Island (Iran) etc...

This service could also be used as soon as next year to offer Nonstop from AF's second French Hub LYS (Lyon-St Exupéry) to NYC.


User currently offlineFLYSSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7415 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 16120 times:

Fluorine,

The A319-ER has a range of 6500km/3520nm.
The A319-LR has a slighly longer range, about 6800km.


User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6615 posts, RR: 55
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 16095 times:

Is it confirmed that they will fly the 773Er to HKG.....or is it merely an opinion? I would love to see them here. Any more 772s on the horizon?

User currently offlineFLYSSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7415 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 16083 times:

HKG has been anounced by AF, as well as SIN and all the destinations mentionned in the Topic, but I don't know WHEN !

An order for additionnal B772ER/B773ER and A332 is in the air to begin the replacement of the A343 in a longer term.


User currently offlineFlying lsd From Belgium, joined Feb 2001, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 15891 times:

Can somebody help me about the flight to Mauritius:
it's always a 744 but which configuration?
same as caribbean, reunion island ( 4 aircraft enough?)


User currently offline767-332ER From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 15839 times:


Awesome news from one of Skyteam's best members!!!! I love the idea of the long and very thin routes that the A319LR's are operating.
Regards



Twinjets...if one fails, work the other one twice as hard!!!
User currently offlineDebonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2442 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 15826 times:


F-GTAS (leased from Aero Service)

Can somebody provide me with their web-address?? Would like to have more infos on that company! Merci, ThanX chriX


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12515 posts, RR: 35
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 15768 times:

Very interesting news; thanks.

I got the most recent AF timetable and I was actually surprised to note that they no longer have (according to the seat plans) F class on their 744 fleet.

It's good to see AF getting its act together and I'm sure its dealings with an airline of KL's class can only improve its efficiency. These two airlines can co-operate positively in many areas.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7592 posts, RR: 42
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 15671 times:

Can anyone confirm the rumor that, starting in summer 2005, AF will go from 7 weekly CDG-MEX flights using 744's to 11 weekly flights using 773ER's?


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineJonathan-l From France, joined Mar 2002, 506 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 15633 times:

Concerning reply 7:
The A319LR has a range closer to 4500nm (8300km).
The 6800km mentioned is the max range for a standard A319.


User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26599 posts, RR: 75
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 15540 times:

8300 KM sounds more like the range of the A319CJ, I believe the 6800 Km range is for the ER or LR.


Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
User currently offlineB747forlife From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 392 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 15345 times:

FLYSSC, is the 777-300ER really going to IAD in the Spring? Just wondering because next Spring I'm going to be going to Paris on Air France from IAD and it would be awesome to get a ride on the -300.

-Nick


User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 15330 times:

The price for their Dedicate service seems to be astronomical high. A test booking for Strasbourg-Point Noire in early November in economy says Euro4667. If thats the typical price for their Dedicated service, I can't see how they will make it work for routes like Lyon-New York where they have competition. Maybe an all business flight like LH's Privateair flights is more likely in this case.

Has anyone informations about the economics to operate the A319LR. Is it really necessary to ask for such high prices to fly an A319LR long-haul? What are the number to operate an A319LR vs an A330?


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 15295 times:

The A319ER is a standard build... its just the highest MTOW of the regular airframe.

The A319LR is a structurally enhanced airframe based on the ACJ.

N


User currently offlineFLYSSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7415 posts, RR: 57
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 15220 times:

Debonair,

The A319-LR leased from Aéro Service is F-GYAS, not F-GTAS... sorry for the mistake.

8300km is the range of the A319-CJ, not the -ER/LR.


User currently offlineLtbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13138 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 15182 times:

On August 28th, 2004, I took a tour of Boeing at Everett, which included the finishing/delivery area for 767, 777 and 747 a/c across the road from the assembly plant. That area is where painting, final fittings, testing (airport there), corrective work and delivery is done. One of the aircraft undergoing pre-delivery work was an AF 777-300 ER's, probably the one delivered in September (F-GSQD? Sorry I didn't get the registration, if available). It's odd, but good, that AF goes with Boeings for long haul's vs. Airbus' which are assembled in France. What would be the primary routes this would serve? Maybe CDG-LAX/Asia/South Pacific/South American long nonstop routes?

User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 14334 times:

JOFMO,
that's probably because the flight is already heavily booked.However,the yields on these routes is already excellent and the only other way to get to PNR is via the likes of BZV,LBV or LAD!I think most Texan and French oil execs would prefer the direct flight Smile


User currently offlineDebonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2442 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 14296 times:

The A319-LR leased from Aéro Service is F-GYAS, not F-GTAS... sorry for the mistake.


ThanX. None with the web-address of AERO SERVICE???


User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4653 posts, RR: 19
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 13919 times:

Does AF still use the 767?


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25 Flpuck6 : Hi Max Q, Negative, AF no longer uses the 767-300ERs. The last one flew in March of 2003 from Philadelphia.
26 HB-IWC : Can anyone confirm the rumor that, starting in summer 2005, AF will go from 7 weekly CDG-MEX flights using 744's to 11 weekly flights using 773ER's? A
27 Max Q : Flpuck6 Thanks for the info.
28 Fluorine : Will AF order any more A319ER/LR or 773ER?
29 AAplatnumflier : I dont get it. How do they plan to do all of these routes with the 773's if they only have so few? [Edited 2004-10-03 07:56:17]
30 Post contains images FLYSSC : How do they plan to do all of these routes with the 773 if they only have so few Well, 16 a/c is not "so few"... Moreover, some destinations are serv
31 FLYSSC : JoFMO, AF is the only airline to operate a direct flight from Europe to PNR. Make a test booking from SXB to PNR with LH, BA, IB... you will have to c
32 BestWestern : Whats AF's schedule for re-fitting their 744's into the new internal layout. What routes will get the new (non Dom/Tom) 744 layouts first?
33 FLYSSC : The 744's with the new layout (40J/393Y) on te CDG-HAV and CDG-YUL routes
34 Post contains images Mozart : FlySSC, merci for all those great insights. Just a question on the "EspaceAffaires" on the DOM-TOM version of the 744: is this the new "Espace Affaire
35 Post contains links and images FLYSSC : Mozart, The B744 dedicated to the "Caribbean/Indian Ocean" network are configured with the new seats in Business Class and Alizée and Vacances class.
36 Knoxibus : Wonderful news about the COI (Caribbean/Indian Ocean) network improvement. I have been taking those 742 for at least 9 years to go back home to RUN, a
37 FLYSSC : BestWestern, For the next summer season, the B744 will operate a daily CDG-DEL. The aircraft will be fitted with the new seat configuration 40J / 393Y
38 Hardiwv : AF is also improving its service to GIG/Rio de Janeiro. AF will introduce the 747 in this route, and flights will be during the night on both ways. Cu
39 Jos : Can anybody tell me when this new 773 ER will fly to Shanghai ? Tx Jos
40 Njoizflyin : Hi, And here I thought this thread was going to be about AF's new twice per year plane washing program.......just kidding. Hey, I'll do it for room, b
41 ConcordeBoy : I'm curious as to SXM... ...so will a 744 be sent there and flown back 1stop, or will they continue to "abuse" the seating on a [now 2class] A343?
42 Drerx7 : When will the 773s be on the IAH run?
43 Henpol747 : Any chance we will see the A345 in AF´s colours?
44 Dutchjet : Any chance we will see the A345 in AF´s colours? ------------ Not likely, nor is it likely that we will see a 777-200LR in AF colors, AF and other Eu
45 United Airline : Will the B 747-400s get PTVs in economy class?
46 Flpuck6 : ConcordeBoy, What is "abusing seating" as you say above for the SXM flight? There is only one A340 in the 2-class configuration and it flies exclusive
47 Hailstone : @FLYSSC will be on AF272/06 nov CDG-NRT and AF275/13 NRT-CDG. AF web schedule schows this as a B772, not 773. when will AF deploy the 773 on CDG NRT a
48 Post contains links and images Flyssc : Hailstone, Next winter, AF will operate 17 weekly flights CDG-NRT : 1 - - 4 - 6 - = CDG.10:30AM ------ NRT.06:25AM B772ER 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 = CDG.13:20PM
49 VS045 : I have a feeling its a 747-400 to mauritius, because the flights leave from CDG, which is where the -400s are based. I went to reunion island on a 747
50 HB-IWC : A little bit off topic maybe, but what's with AF and its service to South Africa? A couple of years ago they withdrew from CPT, leaving the aircraft a
51 Flyssc : HB-IWC, We all must learn not to think anymore AF from CDG now... The new "strategy" of Air France-KLM as we have to call it now is taking place very
52 JoFMO : Regarding the 777LR/A345 I can only think of two routes where AF/KL could deploy them usefully. CDG-PPT and AMS-CGK. But I doubt that any of these rou
53 ASTROJET707 : FLYSCC, I am flying AF0084/0083(SFO-CDG-SFO) in November. Will the A343 used have the new J and new Y only? Is row 7 a comfortable and quiet location?
54 Flpuck6 : AJ707, If FlySCC doesn't mind me replying to your question ... Only one A340 with the new cabins in actually in service, F-GLZK, and it is on the EWR
55 AlanUK : Mmm.. the new First Class looks very smart... not so sure of the Business seat though, that inclined bed just doesn't look very comfy... It has to be
56 Flyssc : JoFMO, 777LR or A345 CAN NOT fly nonstop CDG-PPT... AFKL doesn't neet a B777LR or an A345 to fly AMS-CDK nonstop... the distance is 11355km (6130nm) w
57 ASTROJET707 : Merci to FLYSSC and FLPUCK6!!!!! I will let you know how 7B turns out! AJ707
58 Corsairf/a : AF first B747-400 flight to FDF is on november 2nd 2004.
59 S.p.a.s. : FLYSSC, You seem to have a good knowledge on AFs fleet developments.. congrats. Few weeks ago we heard this rumour that AF would be returning one 777-
60 Flyssc : S.p.a.s., I didn't hear anything about AF returning a 772... It sounds strange to me as AF published recently that they will speed up the retirement o
61 Wheelsatc : Are AF's 744's still operating into Asia? If so where to? I have a feeling that they still operate to Bangkok and any extensions from there.
62 Flyssc : For the next winter season, in Asia, the B744 will operate to DEL only. BKK will be served daily by an A343 with no more extension to MNL (served nons
63 Flpuck6 : Flyssc, I have also heard rumors about the first 772 being returned ... to the lessor and it was indeed F-GSPH in question. I think it was in intra-co
64 Flyssc : Flpuck6, I heard about CCS, concerning F-GLZM... but I'm not sure. 2 A332 are also in the "NEV" config : F-GCZM & F-GCZN. Concerning the future of F-G
65 Wheelsatc : When is AF's first A380 being delivered? and what routes are they due to serve?
66 Flying Belgian : Hi FLYSSC !! Your infos are always very enjoyable and concise to read. I guess F-GITI will be fitted with the new lay-out shortly ? I also guess AF sa
67 Flpuck6 : Concerning the A380: The first 3 A380s are expected in 2007. In 2008, a total of 6 will be in the fleet. In 2009, a total of 8 will be in the fleet. I
68 ConcordeBoy : Any chance we will see the A345 in AF´s colours? Such a minute chance as to be considered negligible. ConcordeBoy, What is "abusing seating" as you s
69 Post contains images Flying Belgian : ConcordeBoy, What is "abusing seating" as you say above for the SXM flight? Selling F as C, and C as Y+; like they currently do. Can you explain more
70 ConcordeBoy : First class seats are sold and serviced as business class. Business seats are sold and serviced as economy plus (the "Alizée" servicethat's been spok
71 Post contains images Flying Belgian : OK. I understand a bit better now. Thank you ConcordeBoy FB.
72 FLYSSC : Hi Flying Belgian ! The African Network was already very different for AF and KL with very few destinations in common : The West of Africa for AF and
73 Post contains images FLYSSC : JoFMO, I confirm : the A345 can not fly nonstop CDG-PPT commercialy. Concerning the B772LR*, nobody knows what, in real, it will be able to fly as thi
74 ConcordeBoy : In any case, it couldn't operate CDG-PPT with enough load to be profitable Based on what, other than your own uncorroborated conjecture? Loading restr
75 Post contains images FLYSSC : It couldn't operate CDG-PPT with enough load to be profitable based on what ? Based on the fact that to make money, an airline has to offer the cheap
76 HB-IWC : I know that KL will close DLA (Douala- Cameroon) next summer, and their light to SSG (Malabo) will make a stop enroute at ? This is the first step to
77 FLYSSC : HB-IWC, Thanks for the precision concerning AMS-SSG...but I think the flight will be AMS-ABV-SSG, not AMS-SSG-ABV ... Note that ACC / ABV / KAN were a
78 Flying Belgian : Thanks FLYSSC & HB-IWC !! I've just read KLM will change its equipment to a few destinations. LOS gets the 777 instead of the MD11.( capacity + 15% )
79 Rj111 : Based on the fact that to make money, an airline has to offer the cheapest fares possible. Well not exactly, an airline has to sell the majority of it
80 FLYSSC : based on the fact that to make money, an airline has to offer the cheapest fares possible Rj111, you are right. I didn't express myself correctly. Wh
81 Gigneil : I don't know why this part of this thread went unanswered for so long. The A319(standard) has a max range of 3750 nm (6945 km) The A319LR has a max ra
82 Post contains links FLYSSC : Actually, concerning the A319CJ, check my topic : http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1791426
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