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Beirut's Glory Days  
User currently offlineAirAmericaC46 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 590 posts, RR: 1
Posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2999 times:

In the 70's, Beirut used to be the prime tourist destination in the Middle East. Pan Am 747 used to stop there on its daily RTW flights. KLM 747 also stopped in BEY on its flights to Asia. I believe Japan JL 747 also stopped in BEY on its Silk Route to Europe. Can someone confirm on this? So is VIASA and AC. PK? AI?
I need info on all the transcontinental routes to Beirut in the 70s----what airline, aircraft and the routing. Thanks in advance for posting.

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User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4512 posts, RR: 53
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2968 times:

AirAmerica, I can provide you with MEA's routes once I go home and get my 1976 MEA timetable.

But I can tell you that Pan Am also operated to Beirut on PA 1 and PA 2 which went via Istanbul and continued to Tehran (for a period) then was switched around to Athens and Karachi...something like that also I need to go home and get my Pan Am timetable to confirm that one.



PARIS, FRANCE...THE BEIRUT OF EUROPE.
User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2915 times:

MEA served sao Paulo via ABJ..


Next destinations, Suarabaya, beirut, paris, Accra
User currently offlineEurostarVA From Bahrain, joined May 2002, 1296 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2906 times:

Nigeria Airways, Ghana Airways, VARIG and a list of other airlines all operated to Beirut at some point.

Ive just returned from a weekend trip to Beirut, first since 1995 and Ive been stunned with how much the city has returned to its former glory (to a large extent).

I will post my MEA trip report (Dammam-Beirut-Dammam) shortly!



If there is a will, there is a way
User currently offlineCedarwings From Lebanon, joined Apr 2004, 216 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2936 times:

List of airlines serving Beirut International in 1968:

Air France
Air Algérie
Air-India-Limited
Alitalia
British Overseas Airways Corporation
British European Airways
Ethiopian Airlines
Ghana Airways
Iraqi Airways
Interflug
Iran Air
JAT-Jugoslvenske Aerotransport
Kingdom of Libya Airlines
KLM-Royal Dutch Airlines
Kuwait Airways Corporation
Lufthansa
LOT-Polish Airlines
TABSO
Malèv
Middle East Airlines-Air Liban
United Arab Airlines
Olympic Airways
CSA-Ceskoslovenske Aerolinie
Austrian Airlines

Pan American World Airways

Flights:

PA1
San Francisco-Honolulu-Tokyo-HongKong-Bangkok-Rangoon-Calcutta-Karachi-Beirut-Istanbul- Frankfurt-London-NewYork

PA2
New York-London-Frankfurt-Istanbul-Beirut-Karachi-Calcutta-Rangoon-Bangkok-Hong Kong- Tokyo-Honolulu-San Francisco

PA114
Beirut-Rome-Paris-New York-Baltimore-Washington DC

PA115
New York-Paris-Rome-Beirut

PA118
Beirut-Teheran

PA119
Teheran-Beirut

Pakistan International
Alia-The Royal Jordanian
Tarom
Sudan Airways
Scandinavian Airlines System
SABENA
Swissair
Aeroflot
Saudia-Saudi Arabian Airlines
Türk Hava Yollari-Turkish Airlines


For more detailed information about the flight numbers, routes and airplanes used, I advise you to visit Wassim Shmaitelli's web page.

http://wassch71.tripod.com/cedarnine.html


[Edited 2004-10-03 11:50:46]


I didn't say it would be easy. I just said it would be the truth
User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1925 posts, RR: 32
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2853 times:

Was Lebanese International Airways still active in 1968 or MEA has already bought it?

User currently offlineJc2354 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 582 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2818 times:

Cedarwings,

Thanks for the great link!

Jack



If not now, then when?
User currently offlineAXESS From Japan, joined Mar 2004, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2753 times:

JAL used to fly BEY in early 1970`s first by DC-8-50's and later by 747 two times a week.
I remember that SQ flew BEY-SIN for a short time with 707 in the late 1970 or in the beginning of 1980's.


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2704 times:

This is a nice thread.  Smile

My dad flew PA2 long ago.

OD720,

MEA bought Lebanese International Airways (LIA) after Israeli commandoes destroyed its entire fleet in a surprise night attack on the airport in December 1968.

So my assumption is they bought the airline sometime early in 1969.

AirAmericaC46,

I can tell you that Beirut is coming back to its former glory days. It may not get all the airlines it had in the past (especially since a number of them are gone such as PanAm and Sabena), but it is really coming back.

Regards




"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2645 times:

I hope to see the day Interflug returns to BEY  Smile

In all seriousness though, I want to visit BEY, and it will definitely be on an ET aircraft. BA, will be sure to contact you  Smile


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2489 times:

Sorry, my dad flew on PA1.

ETStar,

Feel free to email me anytime.  Smile

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2161 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2505 times:

the oldest source i have is from 1979

nonstops from BEY:

BEYAMM on AF/KL/ME/RJ/SU
BEYATH on AT/KL/ME/OK/SK
BEYAUH on MEA Middle East Airlines (Lebanon)">ME
BEYBAH on MEA Middle East Airlines (Lebanon)">ME
BEYBEG on JU
BEYBEN on MEA Middle East Airlines (Lebanon)">ME
BEYBGW on AF/BA/IA/KL/ME/SK/SN
BEYBOJ on IF/LO
BEYBRU on SN
BEYBUD on MA
BEYBUH on RO
BEYCAI on MEA Middle East Airlines (Lebanon)">ME
BECDG on AF
BEYDAM on AF/AT/AZ/SK/SR
BEYDHA on MEA Middle East Airlines (Lebanon)">ME/SV
BEYDXB on MEA Middle East Airlines (Lebanon)">ME
BEYESB on MEA Middle East Airlines (Lebanon)">ME
BEYEVN on SU
BEYFCO on AZ/ME
BEYGVA on MEA Middle East Airlines (Lebanon)">ME/SR
BEYIST on KL/ME
BEYJED on MEA Middle East Airlines (Lebanon)">ME/SV
BEYKAN on MEA Middle East Airlines (Lebanon)">ME
BEYKWI on KU/ME
BEYLCA on CY/ME
BEYLHR on BA/ME
BEYLOS on MEA Middle East Airlines (Lebanon)">ME
BEYORY on MEA Middle East Airlines (Lebanon)">ME
BEYPRG on OK
BEYRUH on SV
BEYSOF on LZ
BEYSVO on SU
BEYTHR on AZ
BEYTIP on KU
BEYVIE on OS
BEYZRH on MEA Middle East Airlines (Lebanon)">ME


User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4512 posts, RR: 53
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2379 times:

data from 1976:

London
Copenhagen
Madrid
Brussels
Paris
Nice
Frankfurt
Geneva
Vienna
Milan
Rome
Athens
Benghazi
Baghdad
Kuwait
Jeddah
Dhahran
Bahrain
Aden
Doha
Abu Dhabi
Dubai
Muscat
Khartoum
Kano
Lagos
Abidjan
Ankara
Istanbul
Cairo
Amman

these were all served by MEA in 1976.



PARIS, FRANCE...THE BEIRUT OF EUROPE.
User currently offlineODAFZ From Afghanistan, joined Jul 2004, 357 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2295 times:

long haul routes from BEY

VIASA : BEY-MXP-CCS (DC8)
VARIG : BEY-FCO-MAD-GIG (B707)
ARIANA:BEY-DAM-THR-KBL (B727)

Of course flights with BA,AF,KL,PK, AI (will check my TT collection and revert to you soon), were long haul most of them continuing to the Far East and Australia (KLM)


User currently offlineOD-BWH From Kuwait, joined Jan 2002, 399 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2249 times:

I checked Wassim's homepage, it's really nice.

But i have one question, why did flights in the 60s and 70s use all this routing? it looked like an around-the-world flight! Seems nice! Look at this one for example:
PA1 San Francisco-Honolulu-Tokyo-HongKong-Bangkok-Rangoon-Calcutta-Karachi-Beirut-Istanbul-Frankfurt-London-New York

all this with a 707! Guess each destination had 1 or 2 passengers only!



A300, A319, A320, A321, A332, A333, A343, A346, A388, B734, B738, B772, B773, F70
User currently offlineOD-BWH From Kuwait, joined Jan 2002, 399 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2231 times:

One more thing, does anybody have a photo of what LIA (lebanese international) looked like? I've never seen a single picture for this airline!


A300, A319, A320, A321, A332, A333, A343, A346, A388, B734, B738, B772, B773, F70
User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4512 posts, RR: 53
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2218 times:

OD:

http://www.al-airliners.be/k-o/lia/lia.htm



PARIS, FRANCE...THE BEIRUT OF EUROPE.
User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8114 posts, RR: 54
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2218 times:

'BWH, Pan Am indeed operated two round-the-world flights, one east (PA1) and one west (PA2). Pax could get on or off at any point, so you could fly Beirut to Calcutta, Tokyo to Karachi, London to Istanbul, you name it. Or buy a RTW ticket and get on and off when and wherever. "Nice" is right. A friend of mine was Cat Stevens' road manager and used it all the time. He said it also used to go to Saigon during the US bombing etc in the late 60s and early 70s.


fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
User currently offlineODAFZ From Afghanistan, joined Jul 2004, 357 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2194 times:

As I promissed you , I am back with some additional information taken from my collection of timetables .

PK FROM TT DD APRIL 15, 1974
PK 707 -B707- WED-KHI-BGW-BEY-IST-ATH COONECTING FROM PK 761-DC10 TYO-MNL-BKK-KHI

PK FROM TT DD APRIL 1, 1970

PK 714- B707- SUNDAY-LHR-GVA-BEY-THR-KHI

PK 702 -B707 - TUESDAY KHR0GVA-BEY-THR-KHI WITH CONNECTION TO DAC-BKK-MNL-TYO (PK760)

FROM AIR FRANCE TT NOV 72-JAN73
AF/UT 186-B707-WED-ORY-ATH-BEY-DHA-BKK-MNL-OSA-TYO

AF/UT 188-B707-SAT-ORY-NCE-ATH-BEY-KHI-BKK-MNL-OSA-TYO

JL 462 DC8-WED-LHR-ORY-FCO-BEY-THR-BOM-BKK-HKG-TYO

JL464-DC8-FRI-LHR-ORY-FCO-ATH-BEY-THR-DEL-BKK-TYO

JL472-DC8-SAT-LHR-FRA-FCO-BEY-THR-BOM-BKK-HKG-TYO

FROM B.O.A.C TT DD APRIL 1, 1971

AI 102-B707-TUE-LHR-ORY-ZRH-BEY-BOM
AI 106-B707-THUR-LHR-FRA-FCO-BEY-BOM
AI 110-B707-SAT-LHR-ORY-FRA-BEY-BOM
AI 112-B707-SUN-LHR-ORY-FRA-BEY-BOM

THE AI Schedule would change after the introduction of the B747, some months later

BA860-B707-TUESDAY-LHR-FRA-BEY-DEL-RGN-HKG-MNL-SYD (becomes BA 801 AT HKG)
BA720-B707-FRI-LHR-ZRH-BEY-KHI-DEL-SIN-PER-SYD

Of course, there were more routes serving the MIddle East with VC10

FROM SWISSAIR TT DD JAN 1, 1971
SR308-DC8-WED-ZRH-ATH-BEY-BOM-BKK-MNL-TYO

FROM KLM TT DATED JUNE 15,1969

KL 863-SUN-SUPER DC8-SUN- AMS-ZRH-ATH-BEY-KWI-LHI-BOM-BKK-MNL-TYO

KL 843-WED-DC8-AMS-FRA-FCO-BEY-BKK-MNL-SYD

KL 831-MON-DC8-AMS-ATH-BEY-BKK-KUL-SIN-CGK

KL 833-FRI-DC8-AMS-ATH-BEY-KHI-BKK-SIN-CGK

GA895-WED-DC8-AMS-FCO-BEY-BOM-BKK-SIN-CGK

GA893-SUN-DC8-AMS-FRA-FCO-BEY-BOM-BKK-SIN-CGK

I hope to have shed some lights on your request






User currently offlinePatroni From Luxembourg, joined Aug 1999, 1403 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2140 times:

According to my 1970/71 MEA timetable, BEY had following services:

Abidjan (ME)
Abu Dhabi (ME)
Accra (ME, GH)
Addis Abeba (ME, ET)
Aden (ME)
Amman (ME, RJ)
Ankara (ME, TK)
Athens (ME)
Baghdad (ME, IA)
Bahrain (ME)
Benghazi (ME, LN)
Brussels (ME, SN)
Cairo (ME, MS)
Copenhagen (ME, SK)
Dhahran (ME)
Doha (ME)
Dubai (ME)
Frankfurt (ME, LH)
Freetown (ME)
Geneva (ME, SR)
Istanbul (ME, TK)
Jeddah (ME)
Kano (ME)
Khartoum (ME)
Kuwait (ME)
Lagos (ME)
London (ME, BA)
Milan (ME)
Monrovia (ME)
Nicosia (ME, CY)
Paris (ME, AF)
Rome (ME, AZ)
Vienna (ME, OS)
Zurich (ME, SR)

I also have an old ashtray with the MEA network ("BOAC affiliate") and a Comet 4C on it, so I guess it is from the 1960s....
The network shows:

LIS-MAD-ROM-ATH-BEY
LON-ROM-BEY
LON-GVA-BEY
LON-GVA-ATH-BEY
LON-FRA-VIE-IST-NIC-BEY
LON-FRA-VIE-BEY
ANK-BEY
ALP-BEY
CAI-BEY
Jerusalem-BEY
ADN-JED-BEY
THR-BGW-BEY
DOH-KWI-BEY
BOM-KHI-DHA-BEY
BOM-KWI-BAH-KWI-BEY


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Photo © Richard Millington



Cheers,
Thomas







User currently offlineAirAmericaC46 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 590 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1995 times:

Thank you Cedarwings for posting and that website is awesome too with CV990 routes of Lebanese International.

Just like OD-BWH, I hope to see a picture of LIA CV990!


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1991 times:

AirAmericaC46,

This page has some pictures of LIA CV990s:
http://wassch71.tripod.com/cedarjet3.html

And AirxLiban pointed out this page:
http://www.al-airliners.be/k-o/lia/lia.htm

Here are some unpleasant pictures of the aircraft destroyed belonging to LIA in the 1968 attack by Israel which led to the shutting down of the airline:
http://www1.airpics.com/viewclean.php?imgid=21617
http://www1.airpics.com/viewclean.php?imgid=21619

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
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