Smileyjet From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 15 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 14625 times:
According to the VP Inflight Services at NWA and sources in NWA's SOC (System Operations Control), NWA is exploring with Boeing the possibility of re-opening the B757 line. NWA is so smitten with the B757 and it's performance that several routes are being considered. BOS-GLA and BOS-CDG for transatlantic (former NWA routes operated with DC10's). Also, NWA is quite pleased with it's re-entry into West Coast-HNL markets (LAX, SEA, SFO and PDX bookings/loads are strong) that NWA wants to go double daily in the West Coast-HNL market. NWA is also thrilled with the performance on SEA-KOA/OGG and wants to expand as well. Possible cities include SAN, PHX and LAS. Will be interesting to see how this impacts HA and Aloha. From what I have read, NWA will be the only major US carrier with this type of frequency in this market. Even UA has only 1 daily out of SFO/LAX. Anyone else following this ?
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 14415 times:
Do you have a source for this rumor? Seems rather odd to me, NW is a long time 757 operator, and now that the 757 line is closing, they suddenly decide that they need more of the type?
That being said, the 757-300 is a great airliner.....its timing was all wrong. It is probably the most effecient way to move 225 pax on routes from 1500-3000 miles and is well suited for NW's West Coast-Hawaiian services.
Gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 88 Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 14391 times:
Even UA has only 1 daily out of SFO/LAX.
United operates an assload of Hawaiian market flights other than KOA and OGG with frequency that NW couldn't support.
To the topic... the bottom line is that NW would have to order 100 or 150 new 757s in order to make it even mildly interesting for Boeing to consider, and the shortest timeframe possible would probably be a year.
I doubt seriously this is possible. Boeing suppliers have nothing in the chain for the 757 and would have to reramp. It wouldn't be worth it to them.
If NW really wants to refocus the 757 onto North Atlantic and Hawaiian routes, the best (and cheapest) route is to supplement their extremely large 319/320 fleet with the 321 for domestic high-load routes, and dedicate the 757 fleet to Oceanic routes.
Navion From United States of America, joined May 1999, 987 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 14341 times:
If NWA wants more 752's, I'm sure Condor will be happy to sell them some (or all) of their PW powered ones. The cost would be reasonable and with D-checks and new interiors & paint, you would have wonderful new capacity. If NWA wants new 753's, that's a different matter as I believe NWA is the only PW powered operator of the 753.
DfwRevolution From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 14322 times:
So we here that NW is looking at the 7E7-8 to open up new Asian markets, then we hear they wish Boeing would print out a few more 757s? Any possible relation? It's kinda wierd that NW gave Boeing a cold-shoulder for so many years and is suddenly at their doorsteep looking for orders.....
Smileyjet From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 15 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 14284 times:
Thanks gigneil for the UA info. Will be interesting to see how much frequency UAL maintains in bankruptcy. Not sure if I agree with your A321 theory though. We are using 757's in the Pacific also with great success.
For Deltaguy: no 757's in desert. Some in pacific.
Navion From United States of America, joined May 1999, 987 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 14218 times:
DfwRevolution, I'm unaware of any stories about Boeing giving NWA the cold shoulder. What is the background of that comment? Thanks. Also, I recall a few years ago Atlas Air bought 2 ex-ANA 747SR's with GE engines to re-engine 2 of their PW powered 742 freighters (I know 1 was an ex-Air France purpose built freighter). Condor may be willing to sell some of it's RR powered 753's which could then be modified with PW engines if so needed. The cost of these relatively new & low time 753's would certainly be less than re-starting the 757 production line, not to mention having to get all of the suppliers and long lead items lined up.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 14189 times:
Hey, if CO could get new 762s a few years ago, the precedent certainly stands for NW to persaude Boeing to make some more 57s
This would be very different, when CO chose the 762, the 767 line was up and running......the 762/763/764 are all built on the same line and very little extra effort was required for Boeing to build 10 shortbody 762ERS for CO. In this case, Boeing has closed down 757 production - restarting the line would have major financial impacts, as well as getting the line and suppliers back on-line.
Smileyjet From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 15 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 14120 times:
Navion: Yep, its the -300 NWA is hot for...
Also agree with Dutchjet about the major financial impacts of releasing the line again. Although none of us know just how much Boeing completely shut it down do we?
ForeverRC: yes, NWA is kicking themselves and I must admit, I am surprised at how hot they are for this aircraft..now it will just be second hand jets. I am sure they will get a good deal. Or, did they plan on this all along? looking at the dollar...
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 14021 times:
I know about the Republic 757s, ancient history!!
I really do not see NW compromising on the engine issue, if they are serious about additional 753s, they will want those aircraft equipped with PWs, just like the rest of their 757 fleet.
As mentioned above, Condor has been looking to dump all or part of its 753 fleet for years.....to date has any 757 had an engine swap, going from PW to RR engines, or vice versa....sounds expensive to me.