Ual747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3863 times:
AA has the closest hub to South Africa in the US. Why not start a daily MIA-JNB flight? Seems there is little to no competition on this route, and AA passengers could easily transfer to flights heading up the east coast, and to the west from MIA. So why not put a 772ER on the route? Would also like to see ORD-HKG, DFW-KIX, DFW-PVG, DFW-PEK, but I'm probably just dreaming.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3832 times:
One reason is that expansion is risky, especially on unproven long haul routes....the routes that you mention would require SA)">AA to go out and purchase/lease many more 777s. In these difficult times, most airlines are taking a conservative approach.
You are likely to see several of the routes mentioned in the near to midterm future....SA)">AA does have some new and/or unused authorities to the Pacific. Re the South African services, I have read that SA)">AA has studied routes out of MIA to CPT and JNB and SA)">AA could probably make the routes work, but it is risky - SA is very, very far away and the potential is limited so SA)">AA will likely place its resources elsewhere.
However, anything can happen......CO plans to fly to Lagos, something that very few expected!
Trolley Dolley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3824 times:
If you check the distances, NYC is closer by great circle route to JNB than MIA. 8061mi vs 7982 mi. I understand the point for easier connections for those living outside the main markets.
I don't know if the higher US carriers costs would stand up to the lower yields that Africa has. New Zealand lost its US carriers because of this factor. It would have only limited on carriage with BA's regional services as SAA is joining Star.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33573 posts, RR: 71
Reply 4, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3813 times:
I don't know if the higher US carriers costs would stand up to the lower yields that Africa has.
Africa is a high-yielding market.
JFK is a closer hub to JNB than MIA, and about the same distance to CPT.
True, though MIA is a better connecting point.
American Airlines has looked into operating to South Africa from Miami. There is a very large market here, in both connecting traffic and local orgin & destination traffic. The biggest problems are that it is stretching the limits of their 777s and that, while a Miami-South Africa route would probably produce strong yields and load factors, it is still an initial risk, one that they don't want to take at this time. Maybe in the future. And if AA becomes a 7E7 customer, I think this is the perfect route for it.
I do think that if any US carrier goes to South Africa, then AA from MIA is the most likely canidate. Not soon, but maybe 3-4 years from now it can happen.
Kim777fan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 510 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3811 times:
According to the "Great Circle Mapper," JNB is 92 miles closer to JFK than MIA. CPT is 130 closer to MIA than it is to JFK. The most direct route on any of these routes is doable with 180-minute ETOPS, but not with 138-minute clearance.
Aa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3173 times:
AA will be in China next year. I don't know why they aren't flying out of JFK or MIA to JNB. I think the only domestic flying is the codeshare that SA)">DL and SA have. Would love to see SA)">AA flying to JNB!!!