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Why Doesn't AA Start MIA-JNB Or MIA-CPT?  
User currently offlineUal747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3707 times:

AA has the closest hub to South Africa in the US. Why not start a daily MIA-JNB flight? Seems there is little to no competition on this route, and AA passengers could easily transfer to flights heading up the east coast, and to the west from MIA. So why not put a 772ER on the route? Would also like to see ORD-HKG, DFW-KIX, DFW-PVG, DFW-PEK, but I'm probably just dreaming.


UAL747

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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3681 times:

JFK is a closer hub to JNB than MIA, and about the same distance to CPT.

I don't think AA's 777 is the ideal plane for these extremely distant routes without a stopover...

N


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3676 times:

One reason is that expansion is risky, especially on unproven long haul routes....the routes that you mention would require SA)">AA to go out and purchase/lease many more 777s. In these difficult times, most airlines are taking a conservative approach.

You are likely to see several of the routes mentioned in the near to midterm future....SA)">AA does have some new and/or unused authorities to the Pacific. Re the South African services, I have read that SA)">AA has studied routes out of MIA to CPT and JNB and SA)">AA could probably make the routes work, but it is risky - SA is very, very far away and the potential is limited so SA)">AA will likely place its resources elsewhere.

However, anything can happen......CO plans to fly to Lagos, something that very few expected!


User currently offlineTrolley Dolley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3668 times:

If you check the distances, NYC is closer by great circle route to JNB than MIA. 8061mi vs 7982 mi. I understand the point for easier connections for those living outside the main markets.

I don't know if the higher US carriers costs would stand up to the lower yields that Africa has. New Zealand lost its US carriers because of this factor. It would have only limited on carriage with BA's regional services as SAA is joining Star.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33287 posts, RR: 71
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3657 times:

I don't know if the higher US carriers costs would stand up to the lower yields that Africa has.

Africa is a high-yielding market.

JFK is a closer hub to JNB than MIA, and about the same distance to CPT.


True, though MIA is a better connecting point.

American Airlines has looked into operating to South Africa from Miami. There is a very large market here, in both connecting traffic and local orgin & destination traffic. The biggest problems are that it is stretching the limits of their 777s and that, while a Miami-South Africa route would probably produce strong yields and load factors, it is still an initial risk, one that they don't want to take at this time. Maybe in the future. And if AA becomes a 7E7 customer, I think this is the perfect route for it.

I do think that if any US carrier goes to South Africa, then AA from MIA is the most likely canidate. Not soon, but maybe 3-4 years from now it can happen.



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User currently offlineKim777fan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 510 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3655 times:

According to the "Great Circle Mapper," JNB is 92 miles closer to JFK than MIA. CPT is 130 closer to MIA than it is to JFK. The most direct route on any of these routes is doable with 180-minute ETOPS, but not with 138-minute clearance.

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3637 times:

I don't know if the higher US carriers costs would stand up to the lower yields that Africa has.

Guess that's why many of the Euro-airlines (chief among them Air France) derive their highest individual profits from African destinations  Laugh out loud




CO plans to fly to Lagos, something that very few expected!

Are you kidding? Some have been pining for that for yearrrrrrss... particularly had it been nonstop from IAH.


User currently offlineTexdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1365 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3502 times:

UAL747,

Man, you dream like me. However, wake up now!!

DFW-KIX previously done, but withdrawn after 9/11?

DFW-PEK, DFW-PVG...not a chance!! How many people would be on this flight? The crew?

Dont' depend on AA or DFW for anything...take it from me...

Cheers



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User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3762 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3449 times:

I think there is a DL/SAA codeshare flight from ATL-CPT with a stop in Africa somewhere, not sure if it is a high yielding route though.

User currently offlineAa61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3355 times:

I could see DFW-HKG long before DFW-PEK or DFW-PVG


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User currently offlineUal747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3271 times:

I don't think the 777 has the range for DFW-HKG, maybe with severe payload restrictions, but I could be wrong.

UAL747


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3177 times:

DFW-KIX previously done, but withdrawn after 9/11?

Nope. That route was killed when AA lost a major cargo contract which kept it alive.


User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3017 times:

AA will be in China next year. I don't know why they aren't flying out of JFK or MIA to JNB. I think the only domestic flying is the codeshare that SA)">DL and SA have. Would love to see SA)">AA flying to JNB!!!

AA777jr


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2970 times:

AA could be in China next year but its still iffy. SA)">CO could easily win.

SA)">DL and SA will be abandoning their codeshare as SA becomes part of *A.

N


User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2965 times:

Gigneil-So where is that ATL-JNB nonstop going to be moved to, CLT? God, spare the world (and spare SAA's balance sheet)...


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33287 posts, RR: 71
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2961 times:

Gigneil-So where is that ATL-JNB nonstop going to be moved to, CLT? God, spare the world (and spare SAA's balance sheet)...


IAD almost definitley. There has been talking it may be split between IAD and MIA, though, but most likely just IAD.



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