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NW Domestic First Not Even Premium Economy!  
User currently offlineRamerinianair From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1486 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3058 times:

I was looking at the tech specs of NW's Airbus and Douglas A/C. I was very suprised to find out that some of the DC-9s have only 34'' of pitch-that's more room throughout coach! Also the width is a measly 19.5''. I know that NW is not know for their inflight service on domestic routes but this is sub-standard. The Airbus equipment is a little better but not much. The Boeing equipment features an almost standard domestic first product.
Please let me kn ow about your flights on the above mentioned NW a/c in the first cabin.
Thanks,
SR


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User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3350 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3022 times:

I was very suprised to find out that some of the DC-9s have only 34'' of pitch-that's more room throughout coach!

Only?

AAndrew


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3011 times:

The DC-9 is a tiny aircraft. Not much room for a spacious first class. The seats are fine.

A lot of people complained when NW added an extra row of first to the Airbii.

N


User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3008 times:

I'm upgraded to F with NW quite a bit. I have no complaints with NW F or NW service of late, except for some "green" agents at DTW or MSP who really have no clue on how to treat the paying pax. Most NW people are very good at getting you to come back again and again.

Ya can't compare DC 9 size of pax seats to the newer planes. The A320/319's are wider and were designed to be passenger and cabin crew friendly.
safe



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User currently offlineCaptoveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2969 times:

Wow i forgot how much crying goes on in civil-av.

It is a domestic flight, you won't be in the seat that long. So just enjoy the other perks of first class, like shagging the flight attendant or whatever the hell else they offer for that horribly inflated price.

If you still aren't happy, ask yourself. Did I pay real money for this ticket? Somehow I suspect this is an upgrade, in which case quit bitching.

Nobody holds a gun to your head and makes you fly first class, nobody makes you fly Northwest either, if you don't like your product you can fly another airline, that is the beauty of a competitive marketplace.


User currently offlineNwcoflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 692 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2947 times:

This makes perfect sense. The DC-9 is a small plane, they put 16 seats in F to allow for plenty of upgrades. I would rather have a 34" pitch and be upgraded than sit in coach with no chance of an upgrade because there are only 8 seats in F.

35" in the 319's are fine, and anything more than 36" isn't really necessary unless you are 7 foot 5.

If it was uncomfortable, I would not fly NW 150,000 miles + per year.



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User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3350 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2944 times:

Sorry, I didn't read correctly! I thought you were talking about coach. Well, there is no First Class on some possible DC-9 replacment aircraft...

AAndrew


User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3990 posts, RR: 27
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2828 times:

The facts clearly speak for themselves. Unfortunately, some people like to believe the spin, instead of the facts. NWA FC is not really any different than any of its competitors. My I referr all who care to the website where you can find the stats. One can really only compare the MD80s at AA to the DC9s at NWA, as they have the same fuselage cross section. With respect to airbusses and the 757s are within an inch or so of the other airlines. So really, the complaints are unsubstantiated. The previous posters said it best... narrow airplane = narrow seats. At least NWA has a consistent amount of seats in their FC cabin to reward their best customers.


AZJ


[Edited 2004-10-06 04:36:52]

User currently offlineJano From Slovakia, joined Jan 2004, 827 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2758 times:

At least NWA has a consistent amount of seats in their FC cabin to reward their best customers.

And that's what I like the most about NW. There are sixteen (16) FC seats up front.



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User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2737 times:

Ramerinianair,

I am surprised that you, as an American, are complaining abut what the US carriers have to offer up from in the premium cabin of domestic aircraft. That is the way it is! Flying a plane in the US is akin to travelling on a bus.

It ain't Asia where airlines are propped up by the govt financially so they can afford to offer a luxurious spread even on a one hour flight.



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User currently offlineJafa From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 782 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2716 times:

Ryanair!!! I am glad you know it. Eventually it will happen in Asia too.

User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2547 times:

it will happen eventually... yes. And I am sure not looking forward to it. LCCs are just starting to invade and 2004 will go down as Singapore's most exciting year in aviation, specially post May 04.

I am one that love my frills. We had a taste of the cut in frills during the SARS period and let me tell you, the Asian travellers were wondering if it was the end of the world!

Well, I don't mind them cutting back on the meals. Just as long as they do not start giving me shitty service and attitudes like the ones I find on US carriers i will be fine...



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User currently offlineCdgdtw From United States of America, joined May 2003, 200 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2451 times:

dc-9 aircraft fly short haul flights, the longest between 2-3 hours. Some of NW aircraft, however, fly a DTW-ANC segment with the same seats and configuration as you would fly DTW-MKE. DTW/MSP to the West Coast or Southern United States is long in some of those aircraft. Not that there is that much difference in service but one would think there would be a more competitive FC product for longer haul. In the least, play a movie! (think that's coming, though...)


User currently offlineSR 103 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1740 posts, RR: 39
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2402 times:

As someone who flies a lot of NW, I have no issue with the "lack" of space in First, as you so delicately put it. I would rather have 34 inches and more chance for an upgrade than more legroom in a cabin I would never see due to lack of upgrades.

Please let me know about your flights on the above mentioned NW a/c in the first cabin.
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/trip_reports/read.main/38418
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/trip_reports/read.main/34289

I'll be on NW domestic F a few more times within the next two months. You should look in the trip reports section to see if I post any new trip reports.

SR 103


User currently offlineNwfltattendant From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 341 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2390 times:

Would also probably explain why AA is recinding MRTC program fleet by fleet...  Nuts


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User currently offlineRamerinianair From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2352 times:

I thank you all for your different views.
NWA FA,
AA is taking away MRTC because they need to compete with the LCCs on the vacation/leisure route. So they converted only some of their types to the LRTC config.
Ryanair,
I know what the industry is like in America. I think maybe you don't. AA has no problem finding the room for a 38'' of pitch. seats. The average from other airlines is 37-39 inches of pitch. I won't talk about the width because I understand that airlines cannot change the cabin width. I can however compare the pitch which is determined by the airline. They could upgrade the seats and or adjust the config for a better seat.
NWcoflyer,
I understand that you like getting your upgrade but it could be better getting upgraded to a more modern seat and better pitch than that on the DC-9s. The airbii have nice width but the pitch is still below the average. I was just mentioning that the seats are more like a great coach than a biz not to mention a first seat.
Captoveur,
If you don't like it go back to the ops pages. I do pay for my seats and I work hard for that money. So please don't give me bull over this, I was just noting how sub-average(NOTE:I HAVEN'T USED SUB-STANDARD) the seats are.
Azjubilee,
The AA md-80 have the same cross-section but they still manage to have 38'' of pitch!
SR



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User currently offlineSeaMeFly From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 317 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2336 times:

Ramerinianair, most premium Economy doesn't provide free meals or alcoholic bev. Most passengers up in FC are elite upgrades anyway. How often do you actually "PAY" the FC tickets anyway? I'm sure most of the time it was free upgrades anyway.

User currently offlineJafa From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 782 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2231 times:

Again NW has more FC seats on average than most. Clearly NW is doing what works for NW and its customers who seem to be happy with the product. What about Int'l business class, do all airlines offer 60" of pitch there?

User currently offlineBillelliott9 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2112 times:

Hmm, anyone remember the thread earlier this week with the subject regarding NW's health compared to other airlines? I think 16 F seats is a good example of things they have done wisely.







User currently offlineXJRamper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2471 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2072 times:

Yes that is bitching. It may not be the greatest seats in all the land...but at least you will not be stuck in the Y section, middle seat of the airline. You can compare the first class section of the 764 for DL to that of the AA Super80. They have one inch apart. Two very differently used aircraft in terms of routes and service and yet they only have one inch apart.

This is to say that it really doesn't matter how much leg room there is, however. The fact is that you are up front. You get the extra service and the extra attention. And you get that pesky middle seat removed and extra width added. I think that this is a fair trade off.

But this is just my opinion.

XJR

Links to the seat inches(brought to you by seatguru.com):

767-400: http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Delta_Airlines/Delta_Airlines_Boeing_767-400.php

Super80: http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/American_Airlines/American_Airlines_MD-80.php



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User currently offlineRamerinianair From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1917 times:

I'm not BITCHING! Just commenting. Obviously your priorities are different from mine. On a domestice flight that less than 3 hours, like most of the DC-9s, I don't go first for the meals or IFE. I sit up front for the seat on domestic flights! TO MEA Middle East Airlines (Lebanon)">ME, this seat is just as good as an AA MRTC seat.
And YES, some people accually work hard to fly right, I usually take CO. I work for my tickets and I PAY $$ that I WORK for to get to the upper cabins. I don't know why it is so hard for you people, SeaMeFly, to understand that some people aren't always trying to scheme and get upgraded for free-some people pay cause they can!
SR



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User currently offlineSeaMeFly From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 317 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1830 times:

If you're not happy w/ NW's products, then quit flying NW and quit BITCHING!!... No one forces you to keep flying w/ us.

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