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UAL To Cut 12% Of Domestic Flights - Axe 68 Jets  
User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7221 posts, RR: 57
Posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10968 times:

http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/041006/airlines_ual_4.html

The No. 2 U.S. carrier also said it plans to reduce its mainline fleet to 455 aircraft by next March, 68 fewer than it flew in August 2004 and a reduction of 112, or nearly 20 percent, since 2002.

It said it would increase international capacity by 14 percent and cut mainline domestic capacity by 12 percent.

"Our strategy has been to continually align our fleet size and deployment with market conditions, which are brutally competitive," Glenn Tilton, UAL chairman and chief executive officer, said in a statement.

Edited to add further news:

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/041006/nyw065_1.html

Tilton pointed out that the actions United is announcing are part of
United's ongoing strategy to:
-- Leverage Product Portfolio and Network: United's product portfolio and
worldwide route network give United the flexibility to put the right
product in the right market at the right price to meet customer demand
while generating a profit for the company.
-- Reduce Costs: United continues to reduce its costs to competitive
levels. The company is on track to achieve $5 billion in annual cost
improvements by 2005.
-- Deliver Operational Excellence: United continues to lead the industry
in operational excellence.
-- Focus on Customer Service and Investment: United maintains a sharp
focus on customers by investing in innovative products and services,
including expanding the availability of United EasyCheck-in and other
electronic and online ticketing and notification systems,


[Edited 2004-10-06 14:09:35]


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User currently offlineNWDC10 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10881 times:

Will the 737's go and they keep the A319/20 seies aircraft? "Tightening the belt" is good for UA. Be most efficient with certain aircraft. Robert NWDC10

User currently offlineLatinAviation From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1277 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10791 times:

I am sure it is their 737-500s and 767-200s, or some combination thereof.

User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4137 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10789 times:

So this is described as an outright cut rather than a shifting from mainline to regional jets? Here at Manchester, NH we have whistled by the graveyard by maintaining (for the most part) our mainline flights...even graduating to the 757 on some of our 4-5 dailies. But this cutback most certainly will set us back, along with many small-to-medium cities. I'd like to say that you can't put the genie back into the bottle, so when (if) UAL decides to dump Manchester or other cities of its size, some other carrier most certainly will step in. Almost as certainly, it will be an LCC. All conjecture at this point, and maybe Manchester and all the other 'Manchesters' will whistle by the graveyard again. But I don't see how UAL can hit these metrics without it affecting us.

Chris in NH


User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4114 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10691 times:

I'm thinking most of these flights will be replaced by UAX? On the other hand, UA cut a lot of flights out of MIA and other stations, so some cuts could come from there. Didn't they also cut SNA-SFO? I know that ORD-IND is being replaced by UAX anyway. This is good for UA, cut unprofitable routes and simplify the fleet. Anything that will help int'l traffic is good IMO, as that's where the money is these days.

User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5193 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10662 times:

Any word yet on which stations will get the reductions?


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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7221 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10555 times:

Why did they cut back their LHR ops and sell their slots if they plan to grow internationally?


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User currently offlineNYCAAer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 693 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10411 times:

If they cut the fleet to 455 jets, will they have a smaller fleet than Delta?

User currently offlineDayflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10334 times:

IMO, this is a smart move. They need to consolidate fleet types to reduce costs. it would make perfect sense for them to axe the 737-500 and 767-200. They are worn out anyway and need replacement. When the time is right I'm sure they will go with more A-319/320 and then follow up with a 7e7 order down the road in a year or two.

I wish DL would look at what UAL is doing and consolidate fleet types to about 3 or 4.



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User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 27
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10303 times:

If you translate the numbers correctly, the headline is just an attention getter by the media.


Truth be told:

"The airline says the changes will result in a 3 percent overall decrease in available passenger seat miles. Officials also say international operations will account for more than 40 percent of the airline's capacity and 50 percent of its revenue." - UNITED




"I'm thinking most of these flights will be replaced by UAX?"

Most of the cut UA mainline flights will be run by United Express carriers.



Ding! You are now free to keep supporting Frontier.
User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9723 times:

The 737-500s are extremely young compared to the 737-300s.

N


User currently offlineLtbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13148 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9439 times:

This proposed shift of flights by UA is interesting and hopefully will save them. They cannot really compete vs. the LCC's like WN in many shorter haul domestic markets now served mainline. Shifting to more international flights, they will probably have more f/a's & pilots based outside the USA. This could lower labor costs as those based outside the USA are not part of the labor packages, pension plans, health care insurance needed to be provided USA based crews. By shifting some domestic shorter hauls to regional connected carriers gets them out of a high cost business and lets them concentrate where most majors make their money, long haul international business.

User currently offlineFrugalqxnwa From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 565 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9325 times:

Instead of gettign rid of the 762s and 735s, could they be getting rid of the 762s and 733s? I have recently seen an A319 on the DEN-BOI route (this summer flying BOI-OMA on NW, A319 was being prepared for flight while I was waiting for my flight). Besides, the A319 and 733 are basically the same size, while the 735 is smaller, so that would make more sense to me.

User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4511 posts, RR: 34
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9153 times:

ChrisNH: I wonder the same about Upstate New York. AA ended 50 years of mainline service to BUF/ROC/SYR/ALB a couple of years ago. (I know about the AA seasonal mainline BUF-DFW, but that's not year-round) At the time we A.net Upstaters wondered whether UA would do the same thing. We already see a mixture of UA and UA Express on ORD routes. It would be sad, but not terribly surprising, if UA downgraded us to all Express.

Which would only wave a red flag in WN's face to start BUF-MDW and ALB-MDW.

Jim



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User currently offlineUA744Flagship From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8817 times:

They are getting rid of a mixture of 733s and 735s. Lots of it has to do with leases that were not able to be renegotiated for what United wanted.

While the 735s are younger, their OCASM is higher because of essentially the same variable costs for less seats (read: 735 isn't that much cheaper to operate than the 733).


User currently offlineAf022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2164 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8714 times:

its great to see UAL be PROACTIVE, even if everything isn't working.

TED to go after domestic traffic
LUXURY B757 to go after intercontinental traffic
EXPAND international traffic.

the other US airlines are in the toilet. what are they doing?


User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8646 times:

Why did they cut back their LHR ops and sell their slots if they plan to grow internationally?

Are you referring to EWR and BOS? If so, it's because UA was not a strong player in those two markets, and rather than continue to take heavy losses, they put those two stations slots up for silent bid, and BA was the winner.

I fully expect to see UA continue to operate flights to LHR from SFO/LAX/ORD/IAD/JFK.


User currently onlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8619 times:

So are they getting rid of particular routes, or decreasing frequency? Are they surrendering the West coast to LCC's?

I'd like to see HP capture some of their west coast ops.



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User currently offlineFlybynight From Norway, joined Jul 2003, 1017 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8528 times:

Isn't the A319 closer in size to the 735, while the A320 is closer to the 733?

I wonder if some of the older 752's will going as well.



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User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5279 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8515 times:

The A319 is closer to the 733



User currently offlineAZjetgeek From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 235 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8510 times:

The moves by UA seem to be headed on the right track, which is a sign that the airline is taking seriously pressure to emerge from bankruptcy in the VERY near future.

I would also suggest, however, that they close one of their two Calif hubs. Is it truly necessary to maintain hubs at SFO and LAX? UA operates international routes out of SFO as well as many of their UAX operations. I would think they could save even more money by closing their LAX hub, but still maintain a presence there.



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8500 times:

The 320 is slightly larger than a 734.

N


User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4424 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8335 times:
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God I hope they don't cut mainline flights out of DSM!

User currently onlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8297 times:


I would think they could save even more money by closing their LAX hub


Oh boy. I'd just grab some popcorn, sit back and watch the LAX "Gate War" begin. HP would love to get a hold of some of those gates.



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User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2690 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8258 times:

Uh-oh. Could this mean UA is going to get rid of more of their Boeing 777s?


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25 Flybynight : I'm somewhat surprised SEA isn't an official UA hub. They have the entire N terminal which I believe is 20 gates.
26 An-225 : I am thinking that 762s will be gone for sure, plus some 733s and 23 735s. 777s will be shifted to more international/interhub routes. 744s are going
27 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : they put those two stations slots up for silent bid, and BA was the winner. ...not exactly what happened, but close enough to give the general gist
28 Access-Air : Why dont we all wait to see what happens...So Put away your crystal balls....boys!! Access-Air
29 Mymiles2go : On the SEA comment regarding not being an official hub. It is considered a "major precense city" aka 'mini-hub" and "international gateway". The N ter
30 N1120a : Um, UA makes money on LAX. They fly some flights out of there that no one else flies or have more capacity on them. If they moved out of there, every
31 Jaysit : So which stations will see this glorious international expansion?
32 Aa777jr : This isn't good for UA. Hope they can restructure and come out of Chp 11. AA777jr
33 Gigneil : This IS good for UA. They're making the right choices. N
34 NZblue : Gigneil, I agree. This probably ranks up there with one of the better things United has done during their time in bankruptcy, and is very much a good
35 Post contains images UnitedTristar : Put me in the column of media hype. We know almost 30 737's just were retiring. We know that the 767-200's are going with the PS aircraft on board tha
36 Baw716 : Well, finally something from UA management that makes sense! I have stated from day one that they need to focus on their international markets and dro
37 Behramjee : A very wise move as Intl routes bring in high yield and revenue for UAL especially the Asian flights. But whilst they talk expansion for Intl long hau
38 Blsbls99 : Someone mentioned them cutting their SFO or LAX hubs. Isn't Virgin America going into SFO? I would expect United to pull back some of the shorter trip
39 LVZXV : A brave decision on UA's part. Let's hope it pays off. The following UA 737-522s are earmarked for AR: N939UA - 06/05 N940UA - 07/05 N947UA - 08/05 N9
40 AGrayson514 : I wonder how many markets can say goodbye to mainline now? And on that note, are they still getting their EMB-170's ? I hope maybe we can get that in
41 FriendlySkies : They have paired down their international schedule a great deal and have parked quite a few 747-400s in the desert. This also seems to be good news, a
42 FriendlySkies : I wonder how many markets can say goodbye to mainline now? And on that note, are they still getting their EMB-170's ? I hope maybe we can get that in
43 An-225 : 744s are not going. The planes to NRT, SYD, BKK, SIN and other Asian/European destinations are going out full. 772LR is not on order either. Alex.
44 RoseFlyer : I presume most of the capacity is going to be to Mexico and the Caribbean rather than the glorified transatlantic or transpacific flights. Caribbean y
45 Thrust : Though it pains me to see 68 jets being cut from the fleet, it is definitely true this will help them out....as for them cutting services to their LAX
46 MaverickM11 : "Though it pains me to see 68 jets being cut from the fleet, it is definitely true this will help them out.... " Doubtful...most of these mainline cut
47 AirframeAS : Though it pains me to see 68 jets being cut from the fleet, it is definitely true this will help them out....as for them cutting services to their LAX
48 IL76TD : "Doubtful...most of these mainline cuts will be likely replaced by regional jets. This will helpe UA a minimal amount in the short run, and they'll be
49 An-225 : I don't see them doing major cuts in any of the hubs. They said that they're committed to all 5. Plus, DEN is our most profitable one anyway. Alex.
50 RayChuang : I think the 737-300/500 and 767-200 fleet are those that will be phased out as part of the 68-plane reduction. UA will likely use a combination of 757
51 727Stretch : Folks, This is nothing new. If you've followed the announcements over the past few months, all this announcement is doing is putting together all of t
52 Kim777fan : Not exactly sure how it is that you come up with only a net decrease of 3% of capacity when you retire 13% of your fleet. Is sounds like, as George W.
53 Na : Whoever brought in the idea of 777LRs to replace 744s: That utter nonsense. Not only that its far from anything the airline would plan. The 772LR is t
54 UA744Flagship : Not much of a change will come domestically. Frequencies will be maintained through increased UAX 70-seater usage, and three glorious words for the ma
55 UA744Flagship : Not exactly sure how it is that you come up with only a net decrease of 3% of capacity when you retire 13% of your fleet. Is sounds like, as George W.
56 Enginesrus : It depends on how you define capacity - in this particular case, they are referring to available seat miles (ASMs) or seats times distance. Since inte
57 Kim777fan : Did they actually give any indication of re-activating any 747's or if it would be the 735's being retired?
58 MaverickM11 : "They are cutting flights and aircraft, not replacing them with RJ's, hence "fleet reduction" not "fleet reconfiguration"" "Frequencies will be mainta
59 Gigneil : I would think UA is going to preserve their LAX hubs...maybe DEN could use some cuts? Why do you think that? N
60 Ual777contrail : DEN is NOT going to take a cut, the hub is doing very well and making money. I however looked at the parked plane list and we have NO 747's parked rig
61 InnocuousFox : I'm not sure when it happened, but we have seen an upgrade around here in OMA from 73x/319s to a few 75s. We had 757s out of here a year or 2 back (an
62 Post contains links and images Kurt : Ual777contrail: "I however looked at the parked plane list and we have NO 747's parked right now." But what about this photo dated October 2, 2004: Vi
63 ILSApproach : I looked at that pic the other day when it was posted....................first thing my eyes were drawn to was those UA 747's! What's up with that is
64 Post contains links and images LVZXV : 2 of UA's 777-200ERs (N207UA, N208UA) will be transferred to RG next month, as PP-VRE and PP-VRF, as part of an order placed by the Brazilian carrier
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