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DHL Moving Out Of BRU?  
User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4198 posts, RR: 33
Posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2843 times:

Taken from the current Flight International issue (free article):

The second-last paragraph is the mot interesting one as it shines a light on how complex the situation has become for the Belgian government.



Federal and regional governments want carrier to replace MD-11s with quieter aircraft

Negotiations between the Belgian federal government and DHL over the expansion of the express package carrier's European hub at Brussels International airport were in deadlock last week, as DHL's board met to study alternatives.

Talks with the government broke down after it demanded a DHL pledge to replace Boeing MD-11 Freighters, which it operates on long-haul services, with quieter aircraft by 2010.

The carrier announced plans to expand its European operations last year - either at Brussels or a new hub - and asked the government to increase the airport's night movement cap from 25,000 to 34,000 a year, and sought 60Ha (150 acres) of land for expansion. Alternative airports being examined are Leipzig in Germany and Vatry in France.

After a lengthy silence, Belgium's federal government began negotiating with DHL last month, offering a night cap compromise of 28,000 movements. This set off a political fight between the federal government and the regional governments of Flanders and the Brussels capital areas, the latter opposing any increase beyond 25,000 and blocking the government decision.

The federal government was aiming to use a loophole to make up the 3,000-movement deficit to 28,000, but in the meantime it emerged that DHL is planning to increase the number of transatlantic flights to its hub that are operated by MD-11s, which have been declared too noisy for night operations by the regional Flemish and federal governments. The authorities have demanded that the carrier promise to replace the MD-11s with "quieter aircraft" by 2010.

Although the MD-11 complies with the previously enforced QC12 limit, the government has decided to lower noise levels to QC8 by 2010 - a standard that no current long-haul freighter can meet. It would require DHL to acquire a freighter version of a new-generation long-haul widebody such as the Boeing 777. This appears unlikely, with DHL saying its expansion plans have been drawn up around the MD-11.

The DHL board met on 1 October to discuss its hub expansion strategy, but was not expected to make a final decision that day.


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User currently offlineBilly From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2000, 895 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2819 times:

One of the problems for DHL is that they ship a lot of their traffic (possibly more than 30%) in the holds of pax aircraft. There are not many airports around that region that can provide alternatives (certainly not Leipzig or Vatry).

User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2433 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2815 times:
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The DHL issue has become a very very concerning matter for the Belgian govt. It would take too long to explain... But the Belgian Prime Minister could be obliged to step down because of it.

But indeed DHL will more than likely leave BRU in the next years for Leipzig.

Has anyone the planning of the MD11 operations ?


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User currently offlineBilly From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2000, 895 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2805 times:

It is clear that the German Government will do anything to bring a job generator to a depressed region of Germany. However, there remains the problem of line haul capacity at LEJ.

User currently offlineBrubiac From Bouvet Island, joined Nov 2003, 218 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2735 times:

Has anyone the planning of the MD11 operations ?

WOA174/173 1950/2230 LT every day except Sunday and Monday

GR8285/8284 2240/0330 LT every day except Sunday and Monday, on Saturday ( Sundaymorning) the flight arrives at 0210 LT

BRU a small airport in a big world.
User currently offlineMia From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 910 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2726 times:

This is so funny, the governments of Brussels instead of complaining that closing the DHL would cut jobs are complaining about loosing gooddamned jobs they are complainign about noise. European governments have lost touch with reality; I believe in regulation but this is just excessive. I kind-of wish that DHL would cut its crappy fleet and renew it but the MD-11 is new enough for me.

I dont think the government in Memphis will never bite the hand that feeds them by asking Fed-Ex to leave.

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User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 29385 posts, RR: 73
Reply 6, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2689 times:

I cannot believe they are complaining about the noise from an MD-11. They are really clean burning and quiet. It is hard to find a quieter plane

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