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One-stop Flights - Are There Any More?  
User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3851 times:

Hello All!!

First of all, kudos to the new design of airliners.net!! Quite striking and beautiful!! But I guess it's pretty obvious I would LOVE a big picture of a 747... Big grin

Here's my question - With the announcement today of RNO-SAN-OGG service on AQ, I was wondering if any other of these "one-stop" flights still exist in the continental United States (Alaska and Hawai'i are different matters).

This kind of flight routing used to be very common in the 1980's with the development of hub service. For example, United used to run a BFL-FAT-DEN in the morning (and the reverse in the evening) along with a DEN-BFL-FAT-DEN triangle in the afternoon, and American ran SBA-BFL-DFW (along with a triangle route). I believe Delta used to run FAT-RNO-SLC at one time as well for some of the their flights.

It seems like RJ's have replaced all cities that used to be served with a one-hopper. At my last trip through DEN, I don't remember seeing any flights listed with two cities. Do any still exist?

Thanks to everyone!!


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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3804 times:

AUS-RDU-DCA...

RDU-ATL-LAX..

JNB-ATL-RDU...

There are plenty of others using just my home airport...



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User currently offlineCactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2448 posts, RR: 30
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3744 times:

The Johannesburg to Atlanta flight continues on to Raleigh?


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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3738 times:

The codeshare.. SAA JNB-ATL.. ATL-RDU on Delta.. but the Delta codeshare of RDU-JNB is onestop..


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User currently offlineN312RC From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 2682 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3720 times:

Southwest does them all the time. The aircraft will, for instance, depart Jacksonville, FL and arrive in Nashville, TN, then continue on to Chicago, IL.


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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9640 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3703 times:

There are tons of one stop flights operated, but most of them go through hubs and are just tag ons. Most of the European flights (LHR-ORD etc) have tag ons to west coast destinations and such, however these aren't real one stop fligths because they are more like just a sameplane hub connection. Other than Hawaii and Alaska I don't know of any airlines in the US that still do one stop flights in the ways mentioned above. Hawaii has a lot of one stop flights, especially OGG because its runways is suitable for widebody landings, but severly limits payload on take off, so flights make a brief stop in HNL or KOA.


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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3772 times:

The codeshare.. SAA JNB-ATL.. ATL-RDU on Delta.. but the Delta codeshare of RDU-JNB is onestop..

No it isn't.

Also, there are two types on "one-stop flights": one-stop and direct. Direct is same flight number, different plane. One-stop is same flight number and plane.

One stop flights are still around plenty.

American Airlines flies AUS-RDU-DCA and AUS-HOU-LGA, for example. They also fly MIA-EZE-MVD (although starting in December they will also fly MIA-MVD) and MIA-GRU-ASU.

AeroMexico flies a lot of one-stop routes to the US, even some two-stops. MIA-MEX-GDL, BOS-MEX-CUN...the list goes on.

Air France has a three-stop flight between Cayenne, French Guyana and Miami: CAY-PTP-FDF-PAP-MIA.

El Al has one-stops from three US gateways: MIA-EWR-TLV, ORD-EWR-TLV, and LAX-YYZ-TLV.

A lot of service to Rio de Janeiro from the US is one-stop: UA's IAD-GRU-GIG, RG's MIA/JFK/LAX-GRU-GIG, CO's IAH-GRU-GIG, and AA's JFK-GRU-GIG.

United offers a one-stop between Tucson and Washington, routed TUS-PHX-IAD.

Avianca flies one-stops on MIA-BOG-PEI and JFK-MDE-CLO.

Then there are also triangle routes, where airlines go in a triangle, stopping at each city only once before going back. These are getting popular for Hawai'i routes. United will soon have ORD-OGG-KOA-OGG; AA will be starting SJC-HNL-OGG-SJC; and Northwest has SEA-OGG-KOA-SEA and ANC-OGG-HNL-ANC.

Southwest is the king of one-stops. Just about all their services are one-stop.

Delta also operates a lot of one-stop service between Florida and the west coast via their Atlanta hub, with same plane service.

American offers a small handful of one-stop, same plane domestic services from Miami, like MIA-LAX-HNL and MIA-DFW-RNO.

There are plenty of one-stop services left, though it is less than years past. It wasn't long ago that Delta offered plenty of one-stop flights throughout their network: SLC-ANC-FAI, JFK-SEA-PDX, JFK-PHX-SAN, CVG-ABQ-TUS, ATL-SYR-ROC...

[Edited 2004-10-07 03:49:33]


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User currently offlineCactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2448 posts, RR: 30
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3689 times:

That doesn't really seem like a one stop flight to me. That's a flight from Raleigh to Johannesburg with a change of planes in Atlanta.

A one stop flight would be a flight that takes off from city A, lands in city B, then continues with the same flight number to city C. An example would be America West's flight 840... Reno-Phoenix-Raleigh/Durham. Same flight number, same plane. Or Southwest 1548. Seattle - San Jose - San Diego - Albuquerque - Kansas City. Ok, that's more than one stop....



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User currently offlineCactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2448 posts, RR: 30
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3662 times:

MAH4546

What is the purpose of the direct flight (same flight number different plane)? I remember several years ago I flew PHX-DTW on NW 68, a 757. Flight 68 was then continuing to AMS (I believe) from a different gate and our 757 was going to EWR. Continental 4 goes from MSY-IAH, changes planes and goes to LGW.

Why not have each flight have its own number?



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User currently offlineDeltaffindfw From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3631 times:


DL used to have a flight 199 from MCO-ANC. It was actually routed MCO-DFW-SLC-ANC.


User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3328 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3633 times:

there are plenty of those in Australia, particularly with the Asian carriers. I think it is viewed as a risk reduction method when introducing services. Increased costs, but at the same time more pax. It is also due to the fact that since Ansett collapsed, add-on fares with QF have increased.

eg.
CA - PEK/PVG/MEL/SYD/PVG/PEK
AD - DPS/MEL/SYD/DPS, AND COUNTER ROTATING
MU - PVG/MEL/SYD/PVG
GA - DPS/ADL/MEL/DPS, AND COUNTER ROTATING
PAL - MNL/MEL/SYD/MNL
TG - BKK/SYD/MEL/BKK

Some airlines which use to do this but have since introduced point to point flights include MH, VN, BA, OS


User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3521 times:

Thanks to all for your responses!! Very much appreciated.

Let me narrow the discussion a bit. Let's leave Southwest Airlines out, because they do not "hub" in the traditional sense. The hub airport does not count as one of the stops. Think of it like a bus picking up passengers on the way to the transit hub.

Routes I'm looking for are like TUS-PHX-IAD (PHX is not a UA hub), or Delta's old SAN-PHX-JFK operated for a while. Are these almost completely a thing of the past?



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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3493 times:

What is the purpose of the direct flight (same flight number different plane)?

There are a few. One is to making booking "easier". You only have to book one flight, even though there is usually a change of plane. Airlines will often offer these one-stops in markets that they don't serve non-stop, but get a lot of bookings on.

Also, directs will show up before connections on mostly all reservation systems, so it puts that airlines service on top of the list.

It also works to possibly test ground for new markets. I know airTran does this often, creating one-stops via Atlanta or Baltimore to try to see how well a non-stop could do.

Also, a negative for consumers, usually when you get a "direct" flight, you only get credited the miles as if you were flying the non-stop. So, if you fly AA 283, from Miami to Honolulu, you only get credited 4862mi, as if it were a non-stop, as opposed to getting credited the 4898mi you actually did fly on the two segments. Not sure if all airlines work it this way, though.


[Edited 2004-10-07 06:40:33]


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User currently offlineCospn From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1619 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3367 times:

CO 1 IAH-HNL-GUM
CO 2 GUM-HNL-IAH
CO 6 GUM-NRT-IAH-SAT 737/777/737
CO 7 SAT-IAH-NRT-GUM

Many more in Airmic System


User currently offlineGitano From Puerto Rico, joined Aug 2004, 30 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3350 times:

1942/07OCT
FLIGHT ON-TIME
SKED SJU ORIG 1000A GTD *29* SHIP 278
EWR 205P 300P GTA C92 GTD C92 SHIP 278
BOS 415P TERM GTA ****

This is one of few....


User currently offlineAussie747 From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3344 times:

QF operates quite a lot of these one stop flights around the world (due to it's long haul status) however the only two to USA and within are as follows:

SYD-LAX-JFK
BNE-AKL-LAX


User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3334 times:

Actually, I don't really agree with MAH4546's definition of "direct" and "one-stop"...

A "direct flight" is a flight that takes you direct, though not nonstop, to your destination: this can include one or more stops.

The continuous flight numbers including a plane change inbetween are, usually, not called direct flights, because they - well, quite simply - aren't "direct": they carry a direct flight number, but often enough, the different segments will also carry their respective own flight numbers.

A direct flight could, as a somewhat extreme example, be a flight like this: FRA-IAD-ORD-SFO-HNL - multiple stops, same plane -> direct flight.

As for the original question - there are numerous one-stop-flights around, I flew on F9 from LAX to ATL with a stop in DEN inbetween, and I was on the first leg of a ORD-MSP-SAT flight on UA a while back.

Some were replaced by regional jets, but not all of them.

Regards,
Frank



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