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Court Orders LanPeru Suspension  
User currently offlinePdpsol From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1116 posts, RR: 5
Posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3901 times:

Is LP is the most harrassed company in Peru? See the link below; a court in the southern city of Arequipa, handed down in June but only passed to aviation authorities last week, found LanPeru in breach of rules stipulating how much of its capital, aircraft and staff should be Peruvian.

http://news.airwise.com/stories/2004/10/1097180451.html

This drama is about as bizzare as the OJ Simpson trial, involving looney Peruvian nationalists and other not-so-sane individuals.

On a separate note, NuevoContinente, the successor airline to AeroContinente, has been sold AGAIN. This time, N6's 'new shareholders' (the carrier's employees) have sold out to some company called Vuela Peru (Fly Peru), an aviation consultancy firm controlled by the Professional Air group.

http://news.airwise.com/stories/2004/10/1097184645.html

All I can say is: WTF is up the WACKY civil aviation sector in Peru?

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User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3042 posts, RR: 28
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3803 times:

In this article it states that some government officials are trying to prevent LAN Peru's license from being pulled. They state that having Lan Peru grounded would hurt people from getting around and from cargo getting around.
http://yahoo.reuters.com/financeQuoteCompanyNewsArticle.jhtml?duid=mtfh69028_2004-10-07_21-51-18_n07484164_newsml

[Edited 2004-10-08 18:13:17]

User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3042 posts, RR: 28
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3793 times:

WOOps, i guess i posted the same article as Pdpsol.

Well if the government decides to ground LAN Peru I hope the Peruvian government notices how much the carrier is needed. I bet the Nuevo Continente people are jumping with joy that this is going to happen.


User currently offlinePdpsol From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1116 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3754 times:

Hmmm... Gee, this makes a lot of sense, "let's ground our nation's second-largest carrier under the pretense of violating some ridiculous 'Peruvian content' laws and initiate a firestorm of nationalist controversy!!"

That's right, that's the ticket!

LP offers the Peruvian traveling public a much-needed service. It is about time tired, old nationalist policies that simply damage the societies they claim to help were thrown in the dustbin where they belong.


User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 36
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3710 times:

This all sounds ridiculous. Nuevo Continente's state is actually worse than I expected; their only 757 has been leased back, and all three of their 767s are grounded and up for sale. This leaves them with just:

4 x B727-100s,
7 x B737-200s
3 x F28-4000s

However you look at it, it's not much of an airline. ALL their aircraft have few cycles remaining, and if the airline is unable to operate anything remotely young or middle-aged, then they will go down the plug-hole.

The grounding of LAN Peru is clearly a last ditch and desperate resort. I still find it hard to believe that in the last decade we've witnessed the end of Aero Peru, Americana de Aviación, Faucett Peru, Imperial Airways and, one way or another, Aviandina, "the airline that never was." TANS Peru is no rival to either LAN or TACA--they are a strictly domestic airline flying 5 ancient B737-200s.

It has to be said, Chile is not blessed with the easiest of neighbours for LAN to start and run subsidiaries. Peru is impossible, Argentina is difficult (courtesy of a calamitous penguinoid) and Bolivia is out of the question. Perhaps LAN should have focused more on Ecuador...

Saludos,

ZXV




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User currently offlinePdpsol From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1116 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3692 times:

Hello LVZXV,

...courtesy of a calamitous penguinoid...

Hehehehe! As always your cheeky comments have me in stitches, rolling on the floor in laughter!

I completely agree with your observations regarding our Chilean brothers; all their neighbors appear to have it out for them! I mean, who would have thought that in the 21st century, Peruvians and Bolivians would be ranting and raving non-stop about the 'evil' Chileans.

As we say here in the U.S.: "c'mon.. gimme a break, enough already!!"


User currently offlineFLY2LIM From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1184 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3687 times:

I mean, who would have thought that in the 21st century, Peruvians and Bolivians would be ranting and raving non-stop about the 'evil' Chileans.
Can' speak for Bolivians, but we've been doing that for 200 years ...

As we say here in the U.S.: "c'mon.. gimme a break, enough already!!"
If everyone thought like Americans, what kind of world would this be? This is not an attack on Americans (I live in the U.S.). It simply means that Peru is a country that has always done things its way, hence its current state of chaos and lack of direction.



Faucett. La primera linea aerea del Peru.
User currently offlineRCS763av From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3662 times:

These Peruvian people are insane...I saw yesterday on the news that they burnt a guy alive for stealing a gas pipe. Why would the land LP? N6 sucks big time!!!


Les escribo desde el frío de mi verde altiplano.
User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2407 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3622 times:

Is LP is the most harrassed company in Peru?

Not really, so was Lucchetti before (by the way, also Chilean company!!!). Yes, sometimes we feel, or we are sure that this is not about business, but as a cheap way of some people to gain popularity. After all, to fight Chile sells in some corners of our South America.

As for Lan Peru, too bad to hear that, and too bad for LAN for not preventing or do something to avoid such situation. if they know all Peru's regulation, they should add extra efforts to be perfectly clear from these clouds.

It's a pitty Peruvian authorities don't realize LAN is the best thing they have had in years, and they don't recognize they need LAN since Peru hasn't been able to develop an own carrier. And it's also an aweful signal for foreing investment in Peru, showing that corruption also rules business.

As we say here in the U.S.: "c'mon.. gimme a break, enough already!!"
Yeap! we are saying that a lot! the most I regret is that Peru and Chile should be friends, and leave behind any hurt from the past. But this doesn't help, as it doesn't the Peruvian guy murdered at the Chilean border by Chilean army... some day we'll understand!

And ZXV: don't worry, Argentina does not deserve K forever!

Regards )( Arcano




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User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 36
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3587 times:

Arcano:

I wouldn't worry about LAN Peru. Darwin will ensure their survival. But yes, LP could have prevented this "misunderstanding". From outside, the Bermudian-registrations of the A320s seem a tad suspicious. LP's 737s were originally Peruvian-registered, and Aero Continente Chile's aircraft all wore the CC-reg. You might have explained the reason for this before, Arcano, but I really cannot remember.
From my experience of Peruvians, I found they always had something to moan about, but that awful fog and absence of rain gives them plenty of reason to. In some ways, they (limeños at least) resemble their Argentine counterparts, and both countries have experienced similar levels of corruption and political incompetence.
I know you've said countless times that LAN and much of Chile is business-minded, i.e. not interested in cheap patriotism, populist stunts or nationalist ravings. To bad Peru isn't the same...

Argentina's predicament stems from K being the de jure leader and Duhalde the de facto. D controls K. Can you think of anything worse?

Saludos a todos,

ZXV




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User currently offlineB757200 From Spain, joined Sep 2004, 184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3570 times:

It has to be said, Chile is not blessed with the easiest of neighbours for LAN to start and run subsidiaries. Peru is impossible, Argentina is difficult (courtesy of a calamitous penguinoid) and Bolivia is out of the question. Perhaps LAN should have focused more on Ecuador...

Uh, this may sound stupid but, have they considered Venezuela? (I'm just asking).


User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2407 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3536 times:

LP's 737s were originally Peruvian-registered

So??? does it really matters???? take a look!

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Photo © Alan Lebeda



Do you think any of those Chilean guys in Puerto Montt realized that the Lan Chile aircraft they were flying was not registred "CC"???
I think passengers (regular ones, not A.netters) just don't care, and most of them have no idea what is CC, OP, LV or N...
Actually, when I was in SCL last week I watched a 763 with CC registration (not sure, but I think it was CEK) and a Peruvian Flag on the tail. Do you think any, just anynpd cared?
Do you think that anybody actually thought good of Aerocontinente Chile for registring CC? No!

What I want to say is that you will always be able to find twisted arguments for proving any point if you want. And please, we Chileans certenly are not saints, we care about nationalisms and rivalry, the only difference is that we use to be very cold for business and purchase, and there the nationalism is secondary...

B757200, bienvenido!. I'm not sure if Venezuela came to LAN's mind, I think they did, but clearly the priority right now is Argentina. If we are positive and think this will happen, probably Colombia and Venezuela should be on the list. Brazil is too huge and there is no reason for trying to attack TA in Central America while there is room still in South America.

Regards )(



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26499 posts, RR: 75
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3509 times:

Hey, if they get their license pulled, does Chile still have 5th freedom to fly SCL-LIM-LAX, or will they have to go it non-stop (no problem for the 763s or A340s)? Also, could this mean fewer choices to FLY2LIM =)? I love the way you incorporate your name into your posts, I could not resist.


Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
User currently offlineMiamix707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3489 times:

As much as Lan Peru is or was the best airline flying in Peru, why does LAN 'need' to get its hand everywhere? Like it isn't enough with Lan Dominicana, Lan Ecuador, Lan Peru.

Having only 2 dominant airlines in ALL of Latin America, isn't that (besides boring) not good for competition?


User currently offlineRatypus From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 177 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3484 times:

Does anyone agree that perhaps LAN's policy of unifying their fleet (LanChile and LanPeru) under the single - pretty Chilean - LAN brand, might be hurting LAN's image in Peru. Maybe a less pointed merger would have served them better - after all, they've got the equipment (their A320's are genius) and the punctuality etc to really work in Peru. LAN was my new best friend when I went this summer!

User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 36
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3455 times:

Arcano:

Un malentendido real! I was referring to the legal issues! Of course, few give a damn what those hyphenated letters that rarely spell a word on the fuselage signify. That's not the point. The Courts DO care about the registration of an aircraft. I know it is not the only and maybe not the main reason why they are giving LAN a hard time, but I don't doubt that it's one of the reasons.

The picture you show me is different. LAN is Chilean and Puerto Montt is in Chile. The aircraft wore a Chilean-reg (CC-COO), and will probably wear it again if LAN choose to sub-lease a different aircraft to Peru. LAN Peru is a Chilean carrier operating in a foreign country; there's a difference.

What I want to say is that you will always be able to find twisted arguments for proving any point if you want. And please, we Chileans certenly are not saints, we care about nationalisms and rivalry, the only difference is that we use to be very cold for business and purchase, and there the nationalism is secondary...

Obvio! But the law is forever finding or fabricating twisted arguments to prove anything. I know Chileans are not saints, but I think the questions being asked are more "what is LAN Peru doing that we do not know about?" What's behind that shiny corporate image? How did they grab a larger slice of the Peruvian market than TACA? Why these sporadic legal problems that keep arising? Why are LAN accepted at times and not at others? To ensure your survival in such a hostile climate as Peru, you don't play by the rules. This isn't cricket.
You may not have the answers, but I'm sure many of us would like such questions answered. I think few in this forum have an axe to grind with LAN; we're just curious.

I look forward to reading whatever you have to say.

Miamix707:

Having only 2 dominant airlines in ALL of Latin America, isn't that (besides boring) not good for competition?

I think Aerolíneas/Austral, Aeromexico, Avianca, Copa, Cubana, GOL, LAB, Mexicana, Pluna, TAM and TAME are holding their own, don't you think?

Saludos,

ZXV




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User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4306 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3427 times:

LVZXV,

'Holding their own' is the diplomatic version of 'just by a thread'.  Smile

Avianca just survived a mortal blow and isn't out of the woods by any means.
Cubana... Who knows what will happen when reform begins to creep into Cuba.
Pluna needs to see Uruguay's economy less dependent on Argentina's fate.
AR is better, but still not well. Some shock and it could choak back to a coma.

I don't know much about the others financial situation, but out of that list of 11, we may have only 7 in three to five years...



My internet was not shut down, the internet has shut me down
User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 36
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3410 times:

Hola Derico,

It's true, many of said carriers are hanging in there on a thread, but in that sense you can't single out Latin American carriers--so too are Alitalia, Swiss, United, US Airways etc. etc. Hell, even LAN have shelved some of their grandiose schemes, like some of their A320 and A340 orders/options. Another 9/11-style attack and no doubt the skies over Latin America and the entire world for that matter will be hauntingly empty. For now, AM, CM, EQ, G3, JJ and you could say LB and MX are doing quite ok. Yes that could all change, but I'm talking in the here and now.

Saludos,

ZXV




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User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4306 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3390 times:

Hola ZXV,

Well the topic was latin carriers, so that's why I singled them out. I know what the state of US and European aviation is.

But the whole entirely other issue of 'Aviation is on it's way to become the 21st century version of Bus service' (which i most certainly believe and have for years), is for a whole entirely different thread...  Smile



My internet was not shut down, the internet has shut me down
User currently offlineB757200 From Spain, joined Sep 2004, 184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3386 times:

B757200, bienvenido!

Gracias Arcano!  Smile

Having only 2 dominant airlines in ALL of Latin America, isn't that (besides boring) not good for competition?

Regarding Venezuela, I think it would be nice to have an airline like LAN so local airlines might be forced to offer a better service.


User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2407 posts, RR: 23
Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3357 times:

Miamix707 why does LAN 'need' to get its hand everywhere?
I will answer with another question: Why does Procter & Gamble 'need' to get its hand out of Cincinati???
Answer: BECAUSE IT'S A BUSINESS, and most business are about earning money and grow (in a very simple scheme). Lan Chile had no more room to grow in Chile, P&G had no more room to grow in USA, so they jump. It's nothing about countries, flags, domain; it's about target markets. Period

ZXV:

"what is LAN Peru doing that we do not know about?"
Running a healthy airline perhaps? It's obvious that it's an art not many in the world know how to do it.

What's behind that shiny corporate image?
A shiny airline

How did they grab a larger slice of the Peruvian market than TACA?
Because they are better, as Lan Chile was always better ranked than Taca, Nica, Lacsa, etc. LP also had the fortune of appealing OW members, TA Peru didn't.

Why these sporadic legal problems that keep arising? / Why are LAN accepted at times and not at others?
I have an answer, but I will pass this time

You may not have the answers, but I'm sure many of us would like such questions answered
What is your guess? Bribes? Nationalism?


***************************************
As a complement information:

"El Mercurio" yesterday published more information. Peruvian Government had restrained this judge's order for LP to keep flying. LP currently carries about 4000 pax within Peru and 1500 abroad every day, so they see that if LP is grounded now, Peru will collapse, and about 10000 people wouldn't be allowed to go/leave Peru.
Peruvian Government has the obligation to ensure aviation to its people (it's considered a Public Service), so till there is an end in this, the order won't be effective.

A newspaper of Lima says that the end of Lan Peru is imminent, and at leat 3 airlines (some new companies) would take the routes/rights.
Meanwhile, Lan Peru keeps denying all charges.

We'll see...

)(



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User currently offlineMiamix707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3315 times:

what does the health of other smaller airlines with less routes have to do with it?

Taca takes you pretty much everywhere you need to go in Central America and LAN is trying to do that in South America. Even to the Caribbean (Lan Dominicana). More than 1 or 2 airlines mean more business opportunities are created and fares likely to be more competitive.

If LAN doesn't have any more room to grow in Chile that's too bad. With the not so healthy airline industry at the moment that could likely see the disappearance of a few more airlines, in 5-10 years time LAN could be the only major airline around in S. America if they got their way (I'm sure they'd like to be right now)


User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 36
Reply 22, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3309 times:

Miamix707:

I get your point, but I think G3 and JJ will emarge as dominant players too. They are based in a country with a massive domestic market, and through PZ have excellent coverage of the Southern Cone too.

LB might prove a difficult airline to conquer, as they now dominate Bolivia and offer excellent international choices. Though small, LB is not under threat from LAN as Bolivia is reluctant to open its door to Chile.

TACA will continue to dominate Central America (and who knows, maybe CU will join in the future), LAN the west coast of South America, G3 and JJ the east. AR is the one to keep an eye on, as they could go ether way.

The question is, WHERE can LAN continue to expand? Argentina, Bolivia and Colombia will all prove tougher than Peru, for sure. Paraguay? Uruguay? Venezuela?

Regards,

ZXV




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User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2407 posts, RR: 23
Reply 23, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3272 times:

in 5-10 years time LAN could be the only major airline around in S. America

Wrong again. If that would ever happen, we would be talking about a MONOPOLY. Since the size of all South American population does not sustain any natural monopoly (a concept specially developed by economists), the existence of 1 big player would be a welcome card for any company to set competition.

The size of South America won't allowed that, as ZXV said, JJ or even AR if they keep doing well would be the natural competitors. Following my former example, no matter how much P&G expands all over the world, Unilever is always there sharing the market. Or Carrefour and Walmart, or Exxon and Shell...

Again, it's all about economics, so it's in that sence and no other that the subject should be analysed.

Regards )(



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User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 36
Reply 24, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3260 times:

Arcano:

You can also learn from history. If South Americans could never unite as a continent, then they certainly won't accept a single major airline. There is too much national pride at stake, and if all else fails, you can always count on a South American government to rescue a moribund airline.

I think I'll stick to my forecast. Some airlines may disappear soon--AeroSur, American Falcon, Inter, Nuevo Continente, TANS Peru, Varig, Vasp, some Venezuelan flying trash etc. but there will always be others...

Saludos,

ZXV




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25 AV757 : Lan is probably not apreciated very much in the other Latin countries when it comes to their hiring practices and large diferences in pay scale compar
26 Arcano : AV757 That should be the most nonsense argument I've heard in this thread. What's the point? Do you have any statistic that sustain your statement? I
27 TBCITDG : What a sad day for LAN or even more so for Peru. And when I speak for Peru I mean for the general flying public not the politicians. In a way I must a
28 AV757 : I have nothing against the Lan System, it is the way they hire and pay locals both in Ecuador and Peru, which in a way is discriminatory versus the wa
29 Post contains images Miamix707 : Wrong again. If that would ever happen, we would be talking about a MONOPOLY. Since the size of all South American population does not sustain any nat
30 Sequ : Hola Todos, FWIW, as of 1st or 2nd quarter this year, all LP flights are dry leased, that is Peruvian Flight and Cabin Crews. Currently there are abou
31 Post contains images Miamix707 : That's why branding/marketing are sometimes so very important. Lan Chile ware lazy and never bothered to paint any aircraft in another color scheme mo
32 Post contains images Arcano : ...ITDG I think there are 2 ways for analysing this issue. 1. If Land Peru marketed itself as a "100% Peruvian Carrier" or "Flag Carrier" then you hav
33 TBCITDG : Arcano: What is your opinnion on the entry into Argentina? I mean with all these problems that have risen in Peru, do you think "K's" nationalist ways
34 Post contains images Arcano : Alfredo: Thanks for your excellent contribution. I didn't know some of the conditions for LP/LEc you posted. BTW congratulations for the 2-0 Lan Chile
35 Post contains images Miamix707 : Chileno y Orgulloso? well good for you, nobody is criticizing Chile or anything, Most Chilenos i've met have been actually very polite and down to ear
36 TBCITDG : Arcano: No am not Argentine. I am of Brazilian and Italian parents living in OZ. I thought that the deal with American Falcon fell through. Especially
37 FLY2LIM : What does everyone have against Arcano? The thread started (not by Arcano) with the question "Is LP the most harrassed company in Peru?". To which I w
38 EddieDude : Arcano did not start the thread. Anyway, I really regret that LP is being prevented from operating based on a judicial resolution that may have been b
39 RCS763av : Arcano is right. LAN is a business, and if they can expand (unlike unefficient national carriers like N6 and RG) let them do it! Why should peruvians
40 TBCITDG : FLY2LIM: I am not sure as to wether he is the most harrased person, but I have the utmost respect fore Arcano. Sometimes he can get a litlle arrogant/
41 OB1504 : Arcano is right. LAN is a business, and if they can expand (unlike unefficient national carriers like N6 and RG) let them do it! Why should peruvians
42 Marambio : Hola a todos, This one is my first post at A.net, though I have been closely following this discussion for the last few days. I think Argentinian CONS
43 Post contains images Arcano : FLY2LIM, Eddie, TBCITDG, RCS763av and OB1504. ...you were right on that TDG, you know me well for being sure I was gonna read your post!. Thanks a lot
44 TBCITDG : Ok! So everyone is happy now??? Good! Can we now concentrate on important issues like :dulce de leche, asado and mate all been Argentine inventions, C
45 Post contains images Miamix707 : @TBCITDG, excellent post, very logical arguments. It's not an attack against LAN or Arcano lol. I personally don't think LAN stirs any passions here,
46 Sequ : Hola Nuevamente, "The number of LAN employees in Ecuador that someone mentioned above didn't impress me (besides the revenue not going into Ecuador's
47 Arcano : Alfredo: I couldn't say it better! you have summarized most of my post! Miami: I still think you don't get my point, but I think it's pointless to go
48 TBCITDG : Come on Arcano! I was jocking!We are currently on ggood terms so let's not spoil it! Totaly off the point here, but have you ever flown Sky? Does thei
49 TACAA320 : "Arcano is right. LAN is a business, and if they can expand (unlike unefficient national carriers like N6 and RG) let them do it! Why should peruvians
50 LVZXV : Hola Arcano: You're point about fares and quality regarding AR and LA; I think they can both offer the same (in separate ways)--take EZE-SCL. It's rea
51 Arcano : Que digo? Bring them both! Another link for the southern cone... I agree with you. TBCITDG: Come on, I was jocking too, don't take me serious. I think
52 Post contains images Marambio : Marambio: Bienvenido al foro! I think your scenario is more tragic than it could be if LAN landed there. I tell you why: War prices are suicidal, almo
53 WiLdmanVzla : Well... Let me tell you something as a customer... Next february I'll go to Argentina (again & so happy to go down there)... & I want to bring my pare
54 Post contains images B757200 : and perhaps in the future they will start LAN Venezuela I hope so! . Maybe if an airline like LAN shows up in Venezuela then local airlines might "wak
55 WiLdmanVzla : There's an emergency order ('decreto de emergencia') issued by the peruvian goverment giving LAN Peru the right to keep operating... lets see what's n
56 TACAA320 : ""LAN PERU informa, que a partir de las 14:00 horas (hora local de Perú), reanuda sus operaciones nacionales e internacionales conforme a los permiso
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