Hardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 51 Posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5673 times:
Anyone knows why RG dropped the 777 from its route AMS/CDG-GRU/POA and NYC-GRU/GIG? RG reintroduced the older MD-11 on these routes.
On a positive note, RG ordered four 757-200, which will strenghten RG's network in Latin American. The first two 757-200 are already being used on the route EZE-GRU-LIM, and GIG-GRU-CCS. The two other 757-200 will be added early in 2005. RG will be the first airline to use the 757-200 in Latin America. Most certainly this is a reaction to TAM expansion in South America. TAM will start flights GIG/GRU-SCL, GRU-LIM and (under study) GRU-CCS.
LVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 38 Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5433 times:
N207UA and N208UA are due next month. Both are -ERs. They will be registered PP-VRE and PP-VRF respectively.
As for the 757s, PP-VTQ and PP-VTR are already flying. If you are asking about costs, well last year RG managed to stem losses by a third (still leaving them at over US$600 million in the red--excluding exisiting debts). Strange things are still happening in the fleet, however. 2 767s have been leased back to Euroatlantic Airways, and RG charters them on demand. Another is for sale. As for the MD-11s, some are coming, so are going. Two very recent ex-Swiss additions, PP-VTF and PP-VTG, have already joined FedEx after less than a year with Varig. Not quite sure why this is. I somewhat doubt that operating and maintaining a mix of GE and PW-powered MD-11s and MD-11ERs is proving very economical. Ditto for the two types of 777s.
Wait and see...
Hardiwv has posted some very intelligent and informative posts on his first day. In future correct him the way I did.
Hardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 51 Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5335 times:
Thanks for the comments and for the updates on RG 777s and MD-11s. It's amazing how RG changes its aircraft portfolio. Good news that more 777s will be added to RG network.
Indeed, apparently the mix of 777s and MD-11 for intercontinental routes is proving economical, although RG MD-11s are now a bit old. On the route Europe-Brazil RG is the only airline to use this type of aircraft, right?
Thanks for the corrections about RG 757s. I got the information about RG being the first to operate this type of aircraft from Varig's own website...should have double checked! Info also provided on http://www.b757.info/ Thanks for the remarks!
Thanks for the info": RG is using 777s on its route MAD-GRU-GIG and MIA-GRU. However, the 777 on the route MIA-GRU is used 5 x week, while the MD-11 on the remaining two days.
AR already operates the route POA-EZE. TAM will start operating this route codeshared with RG, the route will be operated by RG with the 737. AR also operates direct flights FLN-EZE. Airlines are also considering to operate the route NVT-EZE, probably during the summer only. NVT is the newest international airport in Brazil - will be granted this status on 18 October!
About timetable of the four big in Brazil, I recommend the following website:
Click on "rotas" and select the route you wish. RG publishes its timetable on its own website (www.varig.com.br).
LVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 38 Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5265 times:
You're welcome! I'm not sure you could classify RG's MD-11s as "old". Even the FAA definition of "Ageing" is 14 years old, whereas RG's oldest MD-11s date from 1992, and their youngest from 1997. Considering that RG haven't acquired a factory new aircraft since 2001, all they are really going to find these days are used aircraft of early-to-mid-'90s build. AR is in the same boat.
If you want "old", cross the border into Argentina, where you find aircraft of '70s vintage, including some of AR's 747s...
RG are the only airline bridging Brazil and Europe with the MD-11. AZ switched to the B777 last year, and LX flew to EZE for the last time with an MD-11 in late-March this year. Now they serve GRU with the A340-300 and offer onward connections with TAM.
On the Aeropuertos Argentina 2000 website this week, I noticed several TAM flights to/from FLN, meaning they must have added FLN-EZE recently. In the summer months, every Argentine carrier operates charter flights to the resort. As for POA-EZE, RG are already on the route, though the flight starts/ends in GIG or GRU.
I'm sure RG know best. If their mixed fleet policy suits them and saves money, so be it. I was just sceptical about that being the case...
Hardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 51 Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5228 times:
ok that the "old" concept for RG MD-11 maybe questionable. But if you look into the aircraft used by TAM and the other European airlines (e.g. AF, AZ, LX, IB, TP, BA, KL) on the Europe-Brazil route you will conclude that RG's MD-11 are indeed old
About RG mixed configuration policy, I'm always sceptical whether anything makes economic sense in RG! It must first suit the Ruben Berta Foundation....
(one of RG 777 even pays homage to the Foundation...)
LVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 38 Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5218 times:
TAM had the money to order such a vast quantity of Airbuses direct from rhe manufacturer. RG, like most airlines, goes through leasing firms, and ain't got the money for what's brand-new.
All the airlines you mention have generally young fleets, but not to say they had some ancient aircraft until very recently. I remember IB retiring a 32-year-old 747-200 (EC-GAG) last year, and they are still flying a handful of 24-year-old examples. Age isn't the question. Most of RG's MD-11s have two-thirds of their lives remaining. As it is, the next MD-11 due for RG (HB-IWA) will become the oldest MD-11 in the fleet, dating from 1991.
So sorry, I disagree about the age thing. Maybe it's because I'm Argentine, a place you could consider "The Land Of The Old"!
Hardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 51 Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4915 times:
Good point! Indeed, RG is not operating CPT anymore. The CPT flight was actually part of RG flight GIG-GRU-JNB-CPT/CPT-JNB-GRU-GIG.
Considering that RG has a codeshare with SA, it would not make sense to continue the leg JNB-CPT, as RG could simply use its cooperation with SA to fly passengers on this leg.
The actually background info about the CPT operation, is that a Brazilian tour agency negotiated with RG the CPT flight (the JNB-CPT leg was only operational 1 x week with the 767). RG ceased the JNB-CPT leg last September.
I think another possible reason why RG started to operate CPT, was to impose a direct competition with MH, which is operating CPT-EZE (as part of their twice weekly flight KUL-JNB-CPT-EZE). MH is the only other connection between Africa/Asia apart from the SA-RG flights.
Another interesting point:
Some time ago RG decised to extend their flight GRU-CDG and added the leg CDG-AMS, which has been relatively successful mainly because of cargo. The flight CDG-AMS is almost empty (less than 20% load factor, but the belly of the aircraft is almost always full). Since late last year, in order to improve the load factor between CDG-AMS, RG started operating this short leg also as a LCC under the name BasiqAir (you find tickets for each leg for EUR 36! - but the flight keeps the RG code). You can notice this as RG operates in AMS at Terminal G, where usually only charter flights operate (which also helps in keeping handling/airport fee lower). It was an intelligent and market-oriented decision. RG operates AMS-CDG-GRU-POA daily (the CDG stop-over is quick and passengers onward to GRU remain on board).
Hardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 51 Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4873 times:
Thanks again for the remarks! Amazing your info that RG operated ALL the Boeing family. Note than in 1996 RG ceased to operate the 747 full pax. No doubt that RG has been a reliable customer of Boeing! The only aircraft which are not Boeing in the RG fleet are the Embraers (not sure how many still under operation), and they will be dropped from RG fleet next year! So RG whole fleet will be Boeing, right?
Are you sure RG will get an extra 777 from AF?
If you read the post above by LVZXV you will note that RG will actualy add two 777s from UA.
This is the post by LVZXV:
N207UA and N208UA are due next month. Both are -ERs. They will be registered PP-VRE and PP-VRF respectively.
LVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 38 Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4802 times:
AF retiring a 777? News to me too!
The 8 EMB-145ERs are actually operated by RG subsidiary Rio Sul, but I think they wear RG colours. Besides them, it's true, RG operate an ALL Boeing fleet if you count the MD-11. AR has the 2nd largest Boeing fleet in the region, but if they take delivery of all 32 B737-300/500s and 17 B747-400s on order, they'll become THE largest.
P.S. For your impressive and up-to-date knowledge of Brazilian aviation, welcome to my R/U list!
LVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 38 Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4654 times:
I'm as surprised as you--to me it's another "Linha Aérea Mais Grande do Mundo" pipe dream. Initially, the plan was for 45 B737-300/500s and 4 B747-400s, but, según Marsans, that has since been changed to 32 of the former and 17 of the latter. Each of the 4 subsidiaries are due to receive at least one, but with the exception of Chile, is it really poosible to fill a 747 flying from ASU, MVD or VVI to anywhere? In any case, that still leaves a dozen for AR, and even if they ditch the A340-200s (which in my view proivde them with greater flexibility), I still see them have over capacity problems. We'll have to wait and see.
The first 3 of the 744s are ex-Canadian/Air Canada, but the ancestry of the other 14 set to join over the next 4 years has not been publicly announced. For commonality's sake, they would have to be GE-powered, so that would rule out BA, SQ and UA and many other obvious choices as candidates.
I may be slightly cynical about AR procurements, but that's only because I'm always right!
Lan_Fanatic From Chile, joined Sep 2001, 1071 posts, RR: 6 Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4625 times:
Arcano: There is no more 777 service from GRU to SCL. It was switched to MD-11. BTW, I went to SCL two sundays ago as my father was going to Europe with RG, and I saw a Varig 737 (800?) with only one winglet. What happened to the other? Nobody knows.
25 S.p.a.s.: Hardi, Indeed Varig Group E145s are operated with Varig style colours, but with RioSul titles. RioSul had 16 E145s, but it is cheaper to operate impor
26 Hardiwv: LVZXV: Thanks! Thanks as well for the update on RG's fleet of Embraers. Note that RG's subsidiaries Rio Sul and Nordeste are now integrated into RG so