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European Flying Again?  
User currently offlineBA777 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2192 posts, RR: 6
Posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1991 times:


Late this week, either Weds or Thurs it must've been, I was walking around school and saw a EAL NC B742 approaching into Brize on Runway 26.

Presumably just a charter? I thought EAL had withdrawn their operating certificate or something?


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User currently offlineGeoffm From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2111 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1969 times:

Do you really mean EAL, or do you mean EAF?

Possible it was an un-repainted craft?

Geoff M.

User currently offlineTrident2e From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1964 times:

European didn't shut down, they simply cut back their operations. Their 737s are regular visitors to MAN, recently operating on behalf of bmiBaby as well as their own charters.

User currently offlineEuropean From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1930 times:

G-BDXF,G-BDXE and G-CCMA are still operating, G-BDXH,G-BDXG,G-BDXJ and G-BDXO are not operating yet but may do if they sudenly get lot's of bookings.

G-BDXG at Bournemouth with no Engines
G-BDXH at Filton with no engines
G-BDXO at amsterdam with no engines
G-BDXJ at Manston
G-BDXF at Bournemouth waiting for another flight
G-BDXE at Bournemouth waiting for another flight
G-CCMA at Bournemouth waiting for another flight.

Hope this helps a little.



I don't know much about G-BDXJ so it might be operating, i don't really know, but last i heard it was a Manston, there is a picture of it on a.net!

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This is G-BDXE on the 5th october, it is now back at Bournemouth!

User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4143 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1850 times:

I have said this numerous times before!

European are NOT operating the B747 anymore, but have sold/leased a few of them to other airlines.

G-BDXF,G-BDXE and G-CCMA are still operating, G-BDXH,G-BDXG,G-BDXJ and G-BDXO are not operating yet but may do if they sudenly get lot's of bookings.

Not trying to be picky or anything, but do you really think that if they get a lot of bookings they're going to stick a few engines on, fly a route then take the engines off again. Or do you expect them to fly without engines?

For one, EAF didn't take bookings, but most were through Travel City Direct. In fact one of the main reasons for the EAF cutbacks was because Travel City Direct pulled out of EAF and went for EUK.

G-CCMA, is gone. Well if it isn't at Gatwick, it's somewhere between here at Mojave. From what i last heard G-BDXE is operating for Volare/Air Europe and G-BDXF is operating for Surinam Airways.


User currently offlineJmc757 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2000, 1315 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1826 times:

I was under the impression that the 747s being leased to other airlines, were still being operated by EAF crews? So in a sense they are still operating the 747s, just not under any EAF flight numbers, as they have no flights for them.

737s still very active though, flew one to Mallorca and back in July Big grin

User currently offlineEuropean From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1769 times:

Daer Planesarecool,

They ARE operating 747's, I know someone who works for European at Bournemouth, he said that they ARE operating again, G-CCMA is at Bournemouth, i saw it Today! It's not going back to majorve yet (as far as i know)! There is evidence that G-BDXE is still flying for European because it took off from Bournemouth and flew to Canada and then back to Bournemouth, it's at BOH today. Look at the pic i posted last time.
One of the jumbos was operating for Volare, it's now back at BOH too.

I'm not being horrible or anything, but they are your views and these are mine! I'm just saying as far as i know they are flying again with 737's and 747's, but just not asa much as they were before the problems,

they have not got any bookings for the next few weeks but i'm sure they will get some more, they were popular with some of the stars, thats what it said in my local paper, they flew planes for David Beckem and other people.

Hope i have'nt ifended you, if i have i am sorry, i did not ment to! SORRY!

Thanks anyway



Where have you got your info from?

User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2643 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1736 times:
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We've had this discussion before here

European's operational B747s are operating on behalf of other airlines, but are still operated by European.

They are ACMI leases - European provides the Aircraft, Crew, Maintenance and Insurance - the other airline provides everything else.

As far as I'm aware, G-CCMA is in the process of having it's lease terminated, unlike the rest of the B747 fleet European don't own it. There is no reason for them to continue to lease this aircraft when their owned fleet of B747s generally sit idle.

G-BDXH/XO have both had thir CofA's suspended by the CAA - ie they are not being maintained in an airworthy condition, and are unlikely to ever fly again. I'd expect them to be progressivley robbed for useful parts.

For the future European's core B747 fleet will be G-BDXE/XF/XG


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