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User currently offlineCheshire From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 112 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6323 times:

I'm hoping someone can help me with this query. Why is the first model of the A380 an 800 series aircraft? Boeing started with the 100 series of the 747, then the 200, 3 and 400, which seems logical, but why have Airbus kicked off with the 800s?

And just on that- how is possible to get the exact sub series of, say a 747? Eg- Qantas operate not just a 747-400 but a 747-412 (I think) Where do you get that info?

thanks in advance for any help with the above.

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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6277 times:

For both prestige and Asian superstition involving the number 8.

User currently offlineB757200 From Spain, joined Sep 2004, 184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6233 times:

IIRC Boeing assigns a two-digit number to each of its customers and it's used as the last two numbers on the aircraft type. Let's suppose Qantas has the number 12 (just as an example), therefore a brand new 747-400 for Qantas would be 747-412. I read that number doesn't change even if an airline gets rid of an aircraft. For example, if Qantas would got rid of one of its 747-400's, it would still be named 747-412 even though the new owner had a different customer number.

Feel free to correct any mistaken info I wrote  Big grin.


User currently offlineFLYtoEGCC From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 947 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6180 times:

"And just on that- how is possible to get the exact sub series of, say a 747? Eg- Qantas operate not just a 747-400 but a 747-412 (I think) Where do you get that info?"

To answer your question further, and to add to what B757200 wrote, it depends on the manufacturer.

BOEING:
The last two digits, as B757200 says, denote the original customer for the aircraft (i.e. the airline whose negotiations with Boeing resulted in that airframe being put on the production line.) It does NOT necessarily denote the airline to which the aircraft was delivered new (in the case of a few Virgin 747s, for example.) http://www.airlinecodes.co.uk will give you a complete list of all Boeing's airline codes.

AIRBUS:
The last two digits depend on the actual variant of the series, rather than the customer. The penultimate digit depends on the engines powering the airliner, and take the following codes:
0 = GE
1 = CFM
2 = P&W
3 = IAE
4 = RR
6 = Engine Alliance (for A380)
(I don't believe there's a 5 - I asked why this was in the Tech/Ops forum but no reply has yet been posted.)
The final digit, I think, corresponds to the actual engine variant, rather than just the manufacturer, powering the aircraft. So, for example, an A321-211 and an A321-213 are both A321s, powered by CFM engines, but with slightly different versions of the engine.
Airbus's codes remain the same regardless of the ordering airline.

As for your question regarding Airbus starting with the -800 series for the A380, I think ConcordeBoy has it correctly... it's a matter of prestige, and to follow the '8' theme from the A380.

(edited for spelling)

[Edited 2004-10-12 02:57:46]


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User currently offlineAviasian From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1483 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6111 times:

Just for the record, the number -12 is allocated to Singapore Airlines by Boeing.

A B747-400 destined for Qantas would be designated B747-438 (-38 being a Qantas allocation by Boeing).

KC Sim
Bangkok


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16908 posts, RR: 67
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6055 times:

Shameless self plug: http://www.rosboch.net/aviation for codes of both Boeings and Arbi.


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User currently offlineStealthpilot From India, joined May 2004, 510 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6050 times:

yup the 438 "long reach" is qantas.


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User currently offlineTheGregster From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5866 times:

Actually a read that its called an A380 - 800 because when it’s all configured in economy class it can carry 800 people max.

User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 32
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5840 times:

When the A380 program was officially launched, Airbus said, that the first two models would be the -800 and later a stretched version, dubbed the -900. This was to clearly mark, that this would be the top end of the A380-line, i.e. there won't be any bigger A380, than the -900 (should this one ever become reality).

Gerardo



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User currently offlineTheGregster From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5824 times:

Their is also a shorter version planned the A380 700.

User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 32
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5771 times:

Yep! I didn't mention this third derivative, the shorter -700. There were talks about it in the beginning, but AFAIK Airbus never had any more infos about this type for years. Even the -900 is not mentioned anymore on Airbus's website.

Gerardo



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User currently offlineStudentFlyer From Australia, joined Sep 2004, 688 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5465 times:

Also, IMO, the -100 would probably sound a little bit old, or 'past generation', as we see in Boeing 721, 731, 741 etc. So if the A380 has a -100, doesn't that sound 'outdated'? A380-100......

But that's only my opinion...

Regards,
AK


User currently offlineTheGregster From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5387 times:

They proberly cancelled the 900 version because its not necessary, the A380 is big enough as it is, why make it bigger and i think it could be along time before anyone makes a bigger plane that’s only if boeing don’t go ahead with the 747X.



User currently offlineMD80Nut From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 889 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5378 times:

Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall reading somewhere, possibly here, that Airbus will never use the number 7 in any of it's model designations because the number is so associated with Boeing. Is this true?

I would imagine Airbus will wait and see how the A380-800 does in the market and gauge airline interest before making a decision on longer/shorter variants.

cheers, Ralph



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User currently offlineTheGregster From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5330 times:

To refuse to use a number because a rival does is something a child would do so no i very much doubt thats true.




User currently offlineMD80Nut From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 889 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4672 times:

>>To refuse to use a number because a rival does is something a child would do so no i very much doubt thats true. <<

I agree, but I seem to recall reading it somewhere. I read the link Starionblue was kind enough to provide and Airbus has never used the number 7 (or the number 9) in any of it's model/variant codes yet. I'm sure eventually they will.

cheers, Ralph






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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16345 posts, RR: 86
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4453 times:

Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall reading somewhere, possibly here, that Airbus will never use the number 7 in any of it's model designations because the number is so associated with Boeing. Is this true?


No, it is most assuredly not true.

Airbus plans an A380-700.

N


User currently offlineMD80Nut From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 889 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4376 times:

>>Airbus plans an A380-700.<<

Thanks for clearing that up.

cheers, Ralph



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User currently offlineAircellist From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1631 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4334 times:

I kinda remember reading that, yes, A360 was not good from an Asian traditional perspective, A370 was eliminated for... I don't know, but A380 and the -800 were chosen to figure the double-deck configuration...

User currently offlineAircellist From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1631 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4237 times:

Hem... The reply #3 on that thread says the same thing, but much better...

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1775185/


User currently offlineSpeedbird128 From Pitcairn Islands, joined Oct 2003, 1648 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3972 times:

"Airbus has never used the number 7 (or the number 9) in any of it's model/variant codes yet"

Airbus have used '9', because there is the A319.

Speedbid128



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User currently offlineMD80Nut From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 889 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3772 times:

>>Airbus have used '9', because there is the A319.<<

Dooh! Yep, I sure missed that one. Man, I'm really on the ball today!

cheers, Ralph



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User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3238 posts, RR: 23
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3654 times:

Airbus plans an A380-700

Well, they might call it A380-600 to avoid using the number 7.
And it will be as popular as the B737-600!  Big thumbs up

Tony



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16908 posts, RR: 67
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2896 times:

They proberly cancelled the 900 version because its not necessary, the A380 is big enough as it is, why make it bigger and i think it could be along time before anyone makes a bigger plane that’s only if boeing don’t go ahead with the 747X.

Neither the -700 nor the -900 are canceled, they are just not planned in the foreseeable future. That can change quickly though if a customer feels the need.



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User currently offlineManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1207 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2426 times:

When the A380 was launched airbus stated the first version would be the -800 to demonstrate that this is a fully developed aircraft. In the past -100 series aircraft have been very short lived before being improved upon in a -200 (or some other number). e.g. A320, 737, 747 etc.

Airbus have also never used the -400 designator for some reason.



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25 EA CO AS : I'm curious why Airbus didn't start with the baseline airframe and go one digit up for larger versions or one digit down for shorter ones like they di
26 ContinentalFan : Actually, the "one digit up, one digit down" system deviates from the rest of Airbus' lineup (a short A340 is an A340-200, the longest one is A340-600
27 Rj111 : They had the base A320, the stretched A321, and the shorter A319 and A318, right? But you have the A340-300/400/500/600...why not A341, A342, A343, et
28 Post contains images Starlionblue : (not to mention the A310 apparently was not a mere shrink of an A300). Indeed. Redesigned wing if nothing else. I have a book about Airbi, and the A.
29 Rj111 : There is also an A340-8000, a one off special. Officially named the A340-213x
30 Starlionblue : Rj111. Thx for that. Good info!
31 Post contains images Lehpron : Personally I think it is ridiculous to think there won't be anything nearly as large or larger than the A380; what, the world doesn't expand? The damn
32 Post contains images Starlionblue : Once we get antigrav generators we will see really large aircraft
33 RayChuang : I think a few years after the A380-800 enters service we may see Airbus offer the A380-700. A number of airlines may want the plane, because I believe
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