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Qantas Wins Appeal  
User currently offlineQantas077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5950 posts, RR: 35
Posted (11 years 4 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2395 times:

Qantas has won an appeal against the merger ban with Air NZ


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User currently offlineCalvin99 From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2001, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (11 years 4 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2376 times:


on the last sentence it said "The plan must have approval in both countries to go ahead." So seriously, there isn't anything big here unless New Zealand's court approve this alliance

[Edited 2004-10-12 03:21:56]

User currently offlineAirbus3801 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1089 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (11 years 4 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2365 times:

If this does go through, I wonder about how this will have an effect on the alliances of each airline. ANZ with Star and Qantas with OneWorld. Will this instigate one of the airlines leaving their alliances?

User currently offlineMulder From New Zealand, joined Sep 2004, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (11 years 4 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2334 times:

This can't really change anything because NZ High Court has ruled out the appeal in NZ. The merger officially came to an end a few weeks ago already. QF and NZ apparently are going to find new ways of cooperation which could involve a modified alliance.

I don't think NZ would want to leave Star. Maybe QF would consider Star remember back a few year UA or LH had tried to entice QF I don't remember exactly.

User currently offlineORD2PHL From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (11 years 4 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2320 times:

I just cannot see QF leaving oneworld, as much as I am a huge *Alliance fan the agreements between QF/BA run deep; should this acquisition be approved I think Star will be without presence in this part of the world unfortunately.


User currently offlineSyncmaster From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 2077 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (11 years 4 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2296 times:
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I thought the QF/BA ties where a little on the rocky side as of late?

User currently offlineBBD From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 62 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 years 4 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2208 times:

Whilst, legally, the way would appear to be at an end, given the recent negative decision in NZ, I would imagine that the NZ government could simply "legislate" the way clear if it wanted to. I believe that this avenue, which would probably also be applicable in Australia, had been put forward by the relevant minister in NZ in the early days of the proceedings, but had been set aside as not being the desirable way to resolve the matter.
I do not believe that, given the improved financial state of ANZ, the impetus, on the government's/majority shareholder's side, for a formal tie-up is anywhere near as strong as it was then; however, if ANZ were to suffer another downturn, resulting in the need for another capital injection, the NZ government could resurrect this potential avenue.

User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3280 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (11 years 4 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2151 times:

Most governments try to stay long and far from using legislation for such business purposes.

To do so, usggests that not only are you playing favorites, democracy breaks down because certain companies enjoy the support of the government whilest any others, or potential others, do not. It is viewed as an area of gross inefficiency and recieved very very poorly by world capital markets (that is may create more damage than good through loss of international confidence in your economy).

The other question is, any such legislation may have the potential to be struck down by the high court, as it may prove discriminatory in nature.

Generally it is a hotspot governments try and say far away from... there is too much potential to make MP's look currupt and this may cost them the next election. If the couts say no under existing laws, i doubt your gonna see the laws changed for just one company. your going to need to have them changed for the whole economy.

[Edited 2004-10-12 06:43:32]

User currently offlineBluewhite From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2001, 333 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 4 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2115 times:

Well, that would certainly lock up Australasia for them wouldn't it (both NZ/QF), with really just Virgin to compete realistically, and AO and the new start-up Jetstar Asia will compete ferociously in that segment. Good luck to the competition and also the consumers....

I can also see them being courted by both alliances and ultimately, it will be the long-term benefits gained ( dollars and cents ) that will determine the future direction of this entity, and which one it eventually joins.


User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8499 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (11 years 4 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2066 times:

its all too little to late.. QF/NZ gave up on this when the court in NZ ruled against it.

User currently offlineMulder From New Zealand, joined Sep 2004, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (11 years 4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1998 times:

Don't how much did they spend on lawyers.

User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8499 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (11 years 4 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1875 times:

they probably have in house lawyers on the payroll... but I would suspect that some kind of outside lawyers were brought in who specialise in this kind of thing.

User currently offlineUA744KSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 4 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1787 times:

BA just sold its share in QF. However, this doesn't mean that ties between the two are bad.

As to QF joining Star, I would say it would be a good move for them, but almost too good. They would be partners with SA)">UA and AC (eliminating all competition on direct or 1-stop service to North America), and they would be partners with SQ and TG, meaning that there would be no serious competition to Southeast Asia. Africa would be unaffected since they already code share with SA. The major benefits would be an expanded European network via BKK and SIN (code sharing on TG and SQ) without having to go all the way to LHR and double back.

As to the merger of QF and NZ, I don't see it being resurrected. The NZ government is not budging on the issue, and as long as that happens, the merger is impracticable.

User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (11 years 4 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1757 times:


SQ and QF wouldn't dominate Australia to South East Asia if QF joins star. BA has direct flights SIN-SYD and MEL. Also EK operates some flights SIN-Australia. Malaysia has a lot of routes from KUL to Australia and so has QX. SO I don't see a competition problem with SQ and QF both in Star.

With all your other argument I fully agree.

User currently offlineUA744KSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 4 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1747 times:

Oh yes, I forgot that BA and EK have fifth freedom rights between SIN/BKK and Australia.

My bad  Smile

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