Syncmaster From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 1983 posts, RR: 14 Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2316 times:
I can't answer the first two questions. But I'm pretty sure that only the 73G's will be getting the blended winglets, the 735's might, I doubt the 733's will.
Silver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4538 posts, RR: 26 Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2241 times:
As of now, I am not aware of any plans to fit the -300s or -500s with winglets.
the 735's might, I doubt the 733's will
I can't see WN putting winglets on their -500s. Don't the advatanges of winglets only show up on longer haul flights anyway? The -500s are basically slowly transitioning to Texas based operations to replace the -200s. And, I think the -500s will soon (well, sooner than later I should say) be phazed out of the fleet. That's how I understand it. Although I could be wrong.
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737doctor From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1332 posts, RR: 48 Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2219 times:
There are NO plans to install the winglets on the 300/500 aircraft. The work package is more involved and there are increased structural modifications which apparently outweigh the potential savings.
I'll try to remember to look at the 700 mod status when I go to work tomorrow and give you an idea of the completion date and the number of aircraft yet to be fitted.
Boeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2177 times:
Don't the advatanges of winglets only show up on longer haul flights anyway?
I don't know the aeronautical explaination, but they also can allow for more payload on shorter flights as well. Winglets can allow more payload or longer range, but I don't believe that they can provide both at the same time. Again, take this with a grain of salt because I'm not exactly sure.
Planespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 5 Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2127 times:
end of 04'/first part of 05' the 700's will all have winglets (tentatively)
B757capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1236 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2034 times:
Thanks guys, I guess the answer is that all -700 will have winglets by June of 2005.
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737doctor From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1332 posts, RR: 48 Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1905 times:
I took a look at the winglet mod status and here are the numbers:
There are 117 aircraft with the mod already installed out of 172; which means that the 68% of the -700 fleet is fitted with winglets. 55 aircraft remain and the planned completion date is sometime in the 1st Q 2005.
AmtrakGuy From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 500 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1792 times:
Is Southwest management happy with the winglet? Are they seeing any saving? They were hestiate a few years ago about getting winglet.
DfwRevolution From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1785 times:
Is Southwest management happy with the winglet? Are they seeing any saving?
WN really hasn't said much of anything about the winglets, but I bet we'll see something in the '04 annual report. WN was predicting a savings of 92,000 gallons per aircraft per year. With the way they hedged fuel and timed winglet instillation, you really got to admire the thinkers at WN.
There are 117 aircraft with the mod already installed out of 172; which means that the 68% of the -700 fleet is fitted with winglets
Wow 117 !
I had no idea that many were done... but come to think of it, I've seen many many more 73G with them.
Ntspelich From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 764 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1746 times:
Is Southwest management happy with the winglet? Are they seeing any saving? They were hestiate a few years ago about getting winglet.
Today as we were driving around the ramp, one of the people in training with me asked exactly what the winglets were. After our trainer explained what they were, he did say that although expensive, the folks in DAL at rather happy with them due to the increased fuel efficiency that we're getting. He didn't know any numbers as to savings, but did say that overall the company's pleased with the increased performance.
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SWAbubba From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 154 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1616 times:
The fuel savings have been roughly 3% on the 700's with winglets. Management is definitely happy with them from what I've seen.
It's getting more and more rare to fly a non-winglet 700. Between the 24K thrust upgrade and the winglets we hardly ever do a full power takeoff in a 700 anymore.
Silver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4538 posts, RR: 26 Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1516 times:
Hey Ntspelich,
Weren't you the one that asked a couple weeks ago about the WN hiring process? From the sound if your post, you got hired (?). If so, we must be at the same stage in training. When you going to Dallas? haha.
Yeah, there are still quite a few -700s without winglets. My friend and I at work figured about 70% of them have been fitted with winglets. I guess we were pretty close! haha.
Man they sure are growing on me. I used to hate seeing 737s in winglets. But now, when I see a -700 come in without winglets, it looks rather weird.
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Planespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 5 Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1452 times:
Is WN management happy with the winglets?
uh huh. 3% of a few billion dollars adds up quite quickly. Unofficial date is for total -700 fleet roll out with winglets is january 14 but like i said, that is
Flyinround731 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 241 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1335 times:
Anyone ever heard of somebody trying to put winglets on a 732?
-Joe
Flyinround731 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 241 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1262 times:
I mean't for any 732, not just WNs. I knew WN wouldn't be equipping the 732s with them.
-Joe
Ntspelich From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 764 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1086 times:
Silver1SWA:
I'm flying into DAL on Halloween. For some reason they didn't want to send us down for the class on the 25th.
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Swadispatcher From United States of America, joined May 2004, 427 posts, RR: 10 Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 999 times:
Silver1SWA & Ntspelich-
Are you both newhires? What position?
Welcome aboard.. it'll be a fun ride, but expect to work hard..
Dave
Maintain 2300 until Boiler, cleared for the VOR-A approach, report BATLE inbound..
BlatantEcho From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1869 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 950 times:
figuring that $1 a gallon, that's $90,000 a year.
So, the winglets, per plane, pay for themselves in about 3 years, if the price of $270,000 is still accurate.
After that, it's all gravy. $90,000 * 172 planes = ~$15,000,000 a year in gas savings after the winglets are paid for.
Silver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4538 posts, RR: 26 Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 919 times:
Silver1SWA:
I'm flying into DAL on Halloween. For some reason they didn't want to send us down for the class on the 25th.
Oh really? Yeah I fly out to DAL on the 24th and I think I come back Nov 2nd or 3rd. I guess we get Sunday, Halloween, off to do whatever.
I wonder why they don't want to fly you out for the 25th. Shouldn't be due to the class being full. Last I heard there is only 5 people in my class, and 4 of the 5 people including myself will be coming from SJC. When was your hire date? Maybe they want to give you more time at your station before DAL.
Silver1SWA & Ntspelich-
Are you both newhires? What position?
Welcome aboard.. it'll be a fun ride, but expect to work hard..
Dave
Thanks. My position is Ramp Agent at SJC. My hire date was September 28th. So yeah, I get almost a full month of on the job training at SJC. I can see how there will be days where I will be working my tail off. It's been a good workout so far. But that's ok, I really enjoy it!
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Ntspelich From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 764 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 893 times:
SWADis:
Ramp @ BWI. Hired on Monday.
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