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Jet Airways To London With 777?  
User currently offlineBOEING787 From India, joined May 2004, 158 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7128 times:

Sources in Jet Airways (Indian private carrier) have info going around that they will start LHR or LGW by December this year with 777.

Any more info/news ot there ?

They are also to begin ops. to SIN and KUL with 737-800's.

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User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3947 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7062 times:

They'll need to get some 777's first. I think you're confusing them with Air India who are starting 777 service this December.

Cheers,

Rob K


User currently offlineBOEING787 From India, joined May 2004, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7050 times:

Hi Rob,

I'm not confused dude - the AI service will begin in December anyway. Crew training is unedr way, it's definetely 9W that I'm talking about - the grapevine in Mumbai suggests that they had (discreetly) put options on 3 777's (I don't know which variant) a month ago with Boeing.

It may be LGW instead of LHR and the 777's may be in 2 class layout.

Will keep you updated.



User currently offlineUa777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6984 times:

I can't think of any 777's that are open for sale other than fresh off the line. I think all the United 777's have been picked up. Now that I think of it...

Here is the current UA fleet of 777's down at GoodYear that are no longer with United.

777-222
24/05/1995
N766UA
Stored at Goodyear 07/30/03

777-222
31/05/1995
N767UA
stored at Goodyear 03/04/04

777-222
13/07/1995
N770UA
Stored at Goodyear on 10 may 2004

777-222ER
11/08/1997
N789UA
Stored at Goodyear 11/24/03
*****LEASED TO AI*****


777-222ER
28/08/1997
N790UA
Stored at Goodyear 04/05/04
*****LEASED TO AI*****


777-222ER
22/03/1999
N205UA
Stored at Goodyear 07/30/03
*****LEASED TO AI*****

777-222ER
21/07/1999
N207UA
Stored at Goodyear 30/07/03

777-222ER
12/11/1999
N208UA
Stored at Goodyear 27/07/03


This is a total of 5 a/c that have not been picked..I think.... Really is sad that the lease agreement didn't work out. I was just down at SFO and in the 45min period that I had to stay I saw aprox. 7-10 UA 777's. That and a KLM, AF, and SQ 777.

Does anyone know of any other 777's currently up for grabs? The 777-222's (non-ER) are pretty old but I don't know if any other a/c are any better (younger and up for lease/sale)

Thanks for any help!

UA777222



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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4774 posts, RR: 43
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6925 times:

Please treat this Jet Airways rumor-news as just a rumor as nothing will come of it till at least next winter.

If I was a betting man...I wouldnt bet anything on 9W flying to LHR/LGW by Dec 04.

See pvt airlines thus far in India are only cleared to fly to South Asian-SAARC states and tentatively to ASEAN states which btw hasnt fully been passed as yet.

But as far as pvt Indian airlines being allowed to fly to EU-UK-USA goes...this isnt happening for at least 1 year !!!


User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 39
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6917 times:

If wishes were indeed horses...

User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7131 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6807 times:

I hear this winter also.. rumours at Heathrow are Jet operating the 763 to Heathrow (leasing a QF slot they arent using this winter, and an Air Atlanta/Air Excel 763)


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User currently offlineAirish From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 259 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6798 times:

Jet will have to get people trained to fly these aircraft. Probably have to sort government clearance which might take some time. So I do not see this happening this winter maybe next winter is possible.


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User currently offlineRocketman742 From India, joined Oct 2004, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6795 times:

I dont think this will happen. The commies who are supporting the govt in India from outside have been making a lot of noises against this and whatever praful patel @ naresh goel want will probably have to wait

User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7131 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6770 times:

No pilot training needed if they go for an immediate start with wet leased equipment.

Dont forget that Jet have a very efficient and professional operation in the UK already flying hundreds of thousands of Indians home already, mostly on GF.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6631 times:

Its the news going around about 9W getting B777,but currently that seems far away.
9W just wont be able to Maintain the B777s at this moment unless they get Someone else to do it for them.
regds
HAWK



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User currently offlineFlyingKangaroo From Australia, joined Apr 2004, 532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6618 times:

It would b great to see 9W in Europe though. I've only flown them from Delhi to Udaipur on one of their ATRs but they are great!!!!

flyingKangaroo



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User currently offlineIndianFlyboy From India, joined Sep 2003, 294 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6565 times:

This is not happenning , it is kind of like the A 320's which sahara have been getting for the last 2 yrs and replacing their entire 73X fleet with . Like I had said earlier will probably happen when pigs fly.

Regards


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7131 posts, RR: 57
Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6525 times:

Is that a Pig I seen on 27R?  Smile

JetAirways are coming to Heathrow T4 , if they get Indian Gvt route approval.

They have the QF slot on lease if needed , and also have a wetleased (complete with pilots) 767-300 available if needed. Rumour from BAA is that it will start as an all Y operation, J service to arrive next summer with their own aircraft and a longer term slot solution.

They have the distribution in place to fill the aircraft in the UK, alongside the connections in BOM to feed the flight from India..





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User currently offlineIndianFlyboy From India, joined Sep 2003, 294 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6490 times:

Well probably a chicken on 27 R , but will take time for the pig  Smile .

Jet has been negotiating slots in LHR since they got the go ahead for flying to the SAARC nations. They were also in talks with BA(??) for ground handling. Unfortunately the final say rests with the govt of India and the way they work.. well not work is legendary.


Regards


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7131 posts, RR: 57
Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6399 times:

FlyBoy... i agree... its all down to the Indian Government, but since the have agreed to 21 additional flights on each side starting Winter 04, I presume that JetAirways will be the first recipient of these. I know that AI have upped the ante here with their 'order' for 777's...

I do believe that the next six months will be Jet's best opportunity to enter the UK market for the next five years.



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User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 39
Reply 16, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6364 times:

I might be wrong, BestWestern, but I think the revised bilateral will be effective Winter 2005.

User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6558 posts, RR: 55
Reply 17, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6318 times:

UAL777222; N207UA and N208UA are going to Varig as PP-VRE and PP-VRF so the only ones availble are the non-ER 777s.

I think that a non-ER do have the range to fly LHR-BOM nonstop but I don't think 9W has any authority to fly to the United Kingdom.

The777Man



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User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6235 times:

since the have agreed to 21 additional flights on each side starting Winter 04

No. There are 7 new frequencies for Winter 2004, 7 new frequencies for Summer 2005 and 7 new frequencies for Winter 2005 for a total of 21.

All 7 frequencies for Winter 2004 have already been allocated to Air India, who have also acquired an additional 3 pairs of slots (in addition to the 3 new pairs already granted). AI will load their additional Heathrow services commencing in December into GDS systems by the end of the month.

Jet is notorious for putting the cart before the horse. However, the commies have made it clear that Civil Aviation policy is an issue that they are willing to topple the government on if push comes to shove. Manmohan will never even take the chance of it happening. Nice rumor, but ain't happening in Winter 2004.


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6218 times:

"However, the commies have made it clear that Civil Aviation policy is an issue that they are willing to topple the government on if push comes to shove."

Makes you wonder why the miserable commies care so much about civil aviation.

Even their beloved Soviet Union and China have multiple carriers who fly internationally.

Maybe North Korea is the new preferred commie model of choice.

Or perhaps they harken back to the days when they could show up 4 hours late for an IC flight after a fish curry and sandesh-induced siesta and STILL be in time for their flight.


User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6190 times:
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I think that a non-ER do have the range to fly LHR-BOM nonstop but I don't think 9W has any authority to fly to the United Kingdom.

The UK and India agreed a new bilateral agreement recently, and correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't Jet Airways one of the designated Indian carriers to serve the UK?




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User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6165 times:

correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't Jet Airways one of the designated Indian carriers to serve the UK?

Consider yourself corrected.

There are only two designated carriers at this time on the India-UK route - namely Air India and British Airways. Even Virgin Atlantic who operates 3x weekly into Delhi is doing so using Air India frequencies via a reverse codeshare and is NOT a designated carrier.


User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6142 times:
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Thanks for the correction. So now the Bilateral agreement is in place, does this allow Jet Airways (assuming it manages to purchase longhaul planes) to operate flights between India and the UK, or does it still need route approval/authority even after open skies?



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User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6140 times:

So now the Bilateral agreement is in place, does this allow Jet Airways (assuming it manages to purchase longhaul planes) to operate flights between India and the UK, or does it still need route approval/authority even after open skies?

There is no open skies.

There is no route authority granted.

There is no spare authority to grant even if they could.

There is no permission granted by the Indian government for Jet to fly outside SAARC.

There is no civil aviation policy framework that would allow the government to even grant this permission.

And people think they will be flying to Heathrow by next month? Get real folks, this is India...



User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6108 times:
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LOL OK that clears up a few things, let the rumour mill continue....



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25 Jaysit : Guess there go those fantasies of nubile Jet maidens serving martinis in the sky on the way to London. You're stuck with AI's aunties or BA's grumpy g
26 Post contains images Vimanav : Sean.. I really admire your perseverance and infinite patience rgds//Vimanav
27 Stealthpilot : Im confused. There is no open skies policy..... yet, but it will come into effect by December. BMI is in negotiations to start daily flights from LHR
28 Mrniji : There is no open skies policy..... yet, but it will come into effect by December There is a timely limited open sky in the winter for designated carri
29 Post contains images Ourboeing : "And people think they will be flying to Heathrow by next month? Get real folks, this is India..." Hey Sean, Remember..It happens only in India.. I al
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