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MEA To Doha, Qatar (DOH) Confirmed  
User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11161 posts, RR: 57
Posted (11 years 4 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3222 times:

After having my doubts about MEA not serving Doha, Qatar (DOH) anymore since it had not appeared in the CRS yet, it suddenly appeared either today and yesterday.

Starting November 8, MEA will operate 3 flights a week on A321-200s on Mondays, Thursdays, and Saturdays.

The flight departs Beirut (BEY) as ME434 at 3:30PM arriving in Doha (DOH) at 7:15PM. It then returns as ME435 departing Doha (DOH) at 8:15PM arriving in Beirut (BEY) at 10:25PM.

Eventually, the service will increase to daily, perhaps when MEA recieves its 4th A330-200.

MEA began code-sharing on Qatar Airways' daily A320-200 flight in April.

For the summer, Qatar Airways upgraded the daily A320-200 flight to an A321-200 and started a 2nd daily A320-200 that operates late at night.

Starting November 11, MEA will also begin 2x weekly non-stop service to the popular Egyptian resort of Sharm el Sheikh (SSH) operating on Mondays and Thursdays on A321-200s. Some flights will operate on A330-200s during peak times however.

Effective November, MEA will have the following 26 destinations on three different regions in its network:

Middle East & North Africa:
Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates
Amman, Jordan
Cairo, Egypt
Dammam, Saudi Arabia
Doha, Qatar - Operated in cooperation with Qatar Airways
Dubai, United Arab Emirates
Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
Kuwait City, Kuwait
Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Sharm el Sheikh, Egypt

West Africa:
Abidjan, Ivory Coast
Accra, Ghana
Kano, Nigeria
Lagos, Nigeria

Athens, Greece
Copenhagen, Denmark - Summer season only
Dusseldorf, Germany - Summer season only
Frankfurt, Germany
Geneva, Switzerland
Istanbul, Turkey
Larnaca, Cyprus
London, United Kingdom
Milan, Italy
Nice, France - Summer season only
Paris, France - Operated in cooperation with Air France
Rome, Italy

MEA is the national carrier of Lebanon operating a young fleet of 6 A321-200s powered by IAE V2533-A5 turbofans and 3 A330-200s powered by Rolls-Royce Trent 772B turbofans.

The A321s are equipped with 31 Cedar Class and 118 Economy Class seats. The A330s are equipped with 42 Cedar Class and 208 Economy Class seats.

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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 45
Reply 1, posted (11 years 4 months 1 day ago) and read 3161 times:


Thanks for the info. But you forgot one destination in your list!

South America:

Sao Paulo, Brazil

MEA is operating GRU-CDG-BEY daily in copperation with TAM.

TAM makes the route GRU-CDG and MEA aircraft continues CDG-BEY, both routes in codeshare TAM/MEA. There are plans for both airlines to start codesharing direct flights GRU-BEY from mid-2005. MEA already operated direct flights to GRU, the city with the largest Lebanese population outside Lebanon!  Smile


User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4534 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (11 years 4 months 1 day ago) and read 3156 times:

interesting, i did not know this.

why would MEA do this when AF already flies the route?

User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11161 posts, RR: 57
Reply 3, posted (11 years 4 months 1 day ago) and read 3152 times:


I only included destinations that one can fly an MEA flight number on.

The TAM/MEA agreement is not a code-share agreement, but only a marketting/interline agreement and it's been reported by Mohammad El-Hout that it hasn't been very successful.

MEA won't fly to GRU because yields on the route are too low to make it profitable. That's why MEA discontinued the flights they operated in the past.

The issue is that most of the 8 million Lebanese in Brazil are 3rd and 4th generation and have lost contact with Lebanon.


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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 45
Reply 4, posted (11 years 4 months 23 hours ago) and read 3121 times:


Not so sure about your report.

There is lots of business and trade going on between Brazil and Lebanon. Still, 8 million people of lebanese origin live in Sao Paulo alone, and this is reason enough to keep the links between Brazil and Lebanon strong. If you take a flight to GRU, as I do very often, you will notice the amount of Middle Eastern people doing this travel  Smile

Or, just visit Sao Paulo and you will see with your own eyes the huge Lebanese/Middle Eastern community (Syria also has a substantial community in Brazil) there and how they kept their traditions. They are 3rd, 4th generation, and more are constantly coming: 12,000 Lebanese in 2003, according to the Brazilian Census Bureau. All in all, Brazil still has the largest Lebanese population living outside Lebanon!

Out of interest, visit:


[Edited 2004-10-12 21:54:16]

User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 45
Reply 5, posted (11 years 4 months 23 hours ago) and read 3119 times:


Just to complement my info provided above. Isn't yields high between BEY-GRU? I'm not sure about that...it seems you are not right:

1) MEA and TAM only started to operate their cooperation in September/04, I assume it is too early to make any statement (1 month and 1/2 is not time enought to assess the market). Although I sincerely doubt Mohammad El-Hout would have stated that the route is "not sucessfull" in such an early stage....TAM would certaily take note of his statement...;

2) Emirates annouced its intention to start operation DXB-GRU non-stop from Feb/05. Emirates wouldn't enter this route without being sure about its profitability! Emirates possible flight to GRU is the outcome of a recent aviation agreement between Brazil and the UAE;

3) Indeed, MEA already operated BEY-GRU, but it ceased operation because of the downturn in the aviation market, ref. 09/11. MEA had to suspend operations to many destinations, not only GRU!

Hardi  Smile

[Edited 2004-10-12 21:55:20]

User currently offlineMEA310 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2002, 660 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (11 years 4 months 2 hours ago) and read 3049 times:

It seems that Sharm El Sheikh is also official now though it does not figure on MEA's timetable yet,I saw an AD today for MEA annoucing the 2xweekly SSH flights starting November 11.Let's hope these two new routes will serve MEA well.


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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3014 times:

Great to see them using both the A332 and A321 to both their Egyptian destinations!


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User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1928 posts, RR: 29
Reply 8, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2965 times:

Hardi: MEA ceased GRU because of major restructuring of it's route network begining in 1998 and was not related to 9/11 in any way.

If the MEA/TAM cooperation becomes successful, I'm sure both airlines will be tempted to operate the route direct.

User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 45
Reply 9, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2961 times:


In addition to your info, MEA operated BEY-GRU with a stop-over in Abidjan...not a very interesting stop in terms of operating a flight I would say.

User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3379 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2949 times:

unfortunately large migrant population do not translate into profitable services.

Melbourne, followed by Sydney, have the largest Greek migrant communities. OA could not sustain the services however, because despite volumes, traffic was low yield VFR traffic, which was also highly seasonal.

100% load factors JUN/JUL/AUG/SEP/DEC/JAN, then 30% during the other months.

It should also be added that OA management is totally incompetant.
traffic between Australia and Thailand growing at 25% per year, yet no OA advertising of MEL-BKK services.

go figure that!

User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 45
Reply 11, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2925 times:


No doubt, management is everything! MEA flight BEY-GRU with a stop-over in Abidjan was certainly not a wise decision (they could certainly have searched for another intermediary stop), e.g. chosing a stop-over in a Portuguese speaking country in west africa (Sao Tome and Principe, Cape Verde, Guinea Bissau, Guinea, Angola are all oil-rich countries with potential good business traffic and strong links to Brazil...) dont ask me why MEA decided to make the stop-over in Abidjan!!!!!....it wasn't a wise decision....


User currently offlineAf022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2253 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2884 times:

i'm sure they chose ABJ because of the crew.

User currently offlineOD-BWH From Kuwait, joined Jan 2002, 400 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2804 times:

Interesting... I'm flying Qatar Airways to BEY in Nov. Can I still collect miles on Cedarmiles with QR? And what about the 4th A330 for MEA Middle East Airlines (Lebanon)">ME? Is it confirmed?

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User currently offlineMEA321 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 389 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2779 times:

The 4th A330-200 has NOT been confirmed, however there are credible sources that MEA is seriously looking into the acquisition or lease of one. In any case, lets hope for the best, and eventually we will see if and when MEA will acquire the new wide-body.

I believe I read on MEA's website the Cedarmiles rules regarding QR flights, you might want to check there. http://www.mea.com.lb/cedarmiles

For everyone's information, runway 17 at Beirut International has now been changed to runway 16, the current Jeppesen NOTAMS for the airport confirm.

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